Someone give that man a drink of his choice. ( bill me for it)
At 10:59 PM 5/6/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Well in the hopes that all these comments are really useful, here
>goes... I'm another hard-core hand-coder. Aside from some minor
>annoyances, Studio is a great editor for a wide variety of tasks, not just
>CF/Web development, although it certainly excels at that for a certain
>audience. Uh, Dreamweaver is not the same at all. Simple. A more
>lengthy "analysis" follows...
>
>At 5/6/2002 02:55 PM -0700, Vernon Viehe wrote:
> >Thanks for your comments. I hope you don't think I'm arguing with you,
> just trying to understand and explain. =)
>
>It's going to be really hard unless you work/think/code like a
>programmer. Nothing personal, I just think it's true. It's too late for
>Studio, but if you really want to understand why people are upset, here's
>my meager attempt at explaining part of it.
>
> >I have to emphasize that Site Definitions are core to a lot of
> Dreamweaver's functionality. It's not all about holding your hand! A lot
> of the behaviors (which you may or may not have used yet, but I'll bet
> that when you do, you'll be hooked) depend on paths, which requires DW
> have knowledge of your site structure. Other features need this knowledge
> as well. Yes, it does do some hand-holding, but that's because it's
> already there - hand-holding is not it's reason for existance!
>
>The Site/Projects features have always been useless here,. They're all
>about working in a certain way, which is perhaps fine if that's how you
>learned to do it, but it's not at all fine if you have established ways of
>doing things like distributing your app to various places. Quite frankly
>I don't trust an IDE to update a live site/application with the right
>bits, I'd rather do it personally and manually and then triple check that
>everything went smooth.
>
>So that leaves "Live Preview" as a reason to use Sites/Projects,
>right? Also useless. How you can have a live preview of a form action
>page? What about when you're working on an included file, not a whole app
>(which is pretty much always, for me). What about a complex framed
>GUI? You can say yes you can set all that up, but frankly it's really
>easy to alt-tab to a browser window and do a truly live preview (which BTW
>is on the second monitor and not confined to the IDE window :).
>
>So, to me they're useless, as in don't make me use them, as in, how do I
>turn off that whole tree in the file view?
>
>
> >As far as the multiple environments (local, testing, sandbox,
> production), simply having multiple definitions is one easy way to handle
> that. (i.e. SiteDef1: local > testing SiteDef2 Local > Production or
> testing > production)
>
>Why does my editor need to know about our internal deployment process?
>
> >Oh, and I forgot to mention, one of the other messages said something
> about "syncing" those "extra" dw files. You can "cloak" anything you
> don't want synced (right-click the file/dir in the site window, choose
> cloaking...), and you can choose not to upload design notes ...
>
>Great if you use DW to manage your deployment. Utterly annoying if you do
>it some other way.
>
> >I've been around MM since the early days of MM. I can tell you it was
> always developed to be a hand-coder's tool. It's just that since it's the
> tool of choice for so many professionals, everyone wants to use it. But
> that was never the goal.
>
>LOL. Please. Always??? C'mon, many people who know Macromedia
>predicted that this very discussion would happen the moment they found out
>about the Allaire purchase (on this very same list). I still remember
>some of the funnier comments at the time. Maybe we need your (or MM's)
>definition of "hand-coder."
>
> >I hope you guys really give it a chance. I love it, and I think most of
> you will too!
>
>I tried it. Really tried it. That's great that you love it (means you
>have the right job :) but what exactly do you use it for? Maybe once the
>final is out I'll try it again (someone explain to me again the point of
>releasing buggy software for the general public to "preview"...). It's
>really a very nice looking Dreamweaver/UltraDev upgrade. Where is
>Homesite+, anyway? What is the feature set? People (from MM) keep
>mentioning it as the true coders tool, so sounds like we just need to wait
>for that to come out. And available separately I hope.
>
>All the best,
>-Max
>
>
>
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