Thanks for the info Cameron, I think I should look to something other than
CF for these mailings.

Anyone have any suggestions on industrial strength mass emailing with each
email containing unique content, basically IDs for tracking and such.  So
far it sounds like I should use a dedicated box to write my own emails maybe
using cffile, although I figure I should do this with a real programming
language, I suppose I could try it with java, and spool them in my own
directory then send them to the mail server.  Or maybe write the emails
directly to a directory that the mail server uses for out going mail.

To ease all your minds, I will not be spamming you all.  Our client provides
their own opt-in lists, we don't go around the web sucking emails.

Feed back most appreciated,
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Mass emailing and drive space


CF5?  Yes you would need aprox 100000k of drive space.  20,000 messages is a
whole lot to send using CF though.  There ARE other options available to
you.  CF is not a mail Server.  I would definitely not recommend sending
1mil emails without a very good strategy for pacing the delivery.  Using one
CF5 server, assuming you paced the spooling correctly and tweaked the
spooler interval in the admin, it would take approximately 42 hours to relay
all those messages off the server to the mailserver.

Here are some stats for CF5 that may be of use to you...  The spool has a
hard upper limit of 65536 of # of message which CF can write to it.  The
limit is based on CF's usage of the hex charset to generate 4 character
identifiers for each message (16^4=65536).  It also can only send a max of
400 messages per minute, though I have never seen it hit that, and by
default sends only 100 per minute.  This means that once the spool gets
"full", even at it's fastest rate, it would take just over 163 minutes (2
hours, 43 minutes) to empty the spool (65536/400=163.84 minutes).  At it's
default rate, it would take 655.36 minutes (10 hours, 55 minutes) to empty
the spool (65536/100=655.36).

I have had success loading IIS's SMTP service onto the CF server and writing
messages directly to it's outbound spool.  You set it up purely as a relay
to your "real" mailserver and let it do the heavy lifting.  The files relay
at an incredibly fast rate that way, but you can still run into hard drive
space limitations.

Another alternative is just to not use CF for this task.  CF wasn't created
or intended to be used for this purpose (sending a million emails), and
isn't designed for it.  There are plenty of other more suitable round pegs
out there for you to choose from.

-Cameron

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Sumo Consulting Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:21 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Mass emailing and drive space
>
>
> I was curious about mass emailing and drive space.  If I do a
> mailing of
> 20,000 emails and the email is 5k do I need 100000k of drive
> space so CF has
> enough room to create every piece of email in the
> cfusion/mail/spool dir?
>
> If so, what if I had to send out 1million emails with the
> email being 5k
> would I need 5000000k of space on the drive?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> 

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