Sorry, didn't even realise it was on cfjobs. One addition is that last time I sold the CF solution; I did it by touting Adobe. Ie: It's an Adobe product, Adobe isn't going anywhere.
Still got questions, from the Chairman and others like "Who uses it", "Will it be supported long term". To which now answer "Telstra, ANZ" and "Yes it's an Adobe Product" >From my experience, the selling is the hard bit. Once it's sold it's all downhill, as it's easy and quick to produce results once your using it. Regards Dale Fraser > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of TRACEY, Darren > Sent: Monday, 6 February 2006 12:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: [cfaussie] RE: [cfjobs] Re: CF developer req'd for Brisbane > (skills shortage ) > > > OK. > This conversation has gone away from being a job ad or specific discussion > about a skill shortage in relation to a job ad. > Lets move it to [email protected] where it now belongs, and keep > cfjobs as a low volume place for jobs ads. > > Regards > > Darren Tracey > Systems Analyst > HR Systems and Fastrack > Wealth and Corporate Systems > Suncorp > p: + 61 7 3232 4019 (x64019) > f: + 61 7 3232 4133 > e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > l: Lvl 12, 388 Queen St Brisbane QLD 4000 > m: Suncorp IPC IT064, GPO Box 1453, Brisbane QLD 4000 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nathan Drury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, 6 February 2006 10:34 AM > > To: cfjobs > > Subject: [cfjobs] Re: CF developer req'd for Brisbane (skills shortage ) > > > > > > Hi > > > > I know this is CFJobs but I'll take the rant baton and keep running. > > > > I think it's a noble endeavour to attempt to increase the number of CF > > developers in the workforce. If there aren't enough CF developers, > > rates go higher and thus the cost of developing products using CF > > increases, thereby decreasing the attractiveness of CF. So there has > > to be enough developers available to maintain CF's attractiveness. > > It's a simple matter of the company bottom line. However, while we're > > at it we should also be promoting CF as much as we can. This doesn't > > mean taking our soap box to Queen St with CF Bibles* in hand and > > spewing forth about Event Gateways. But it does require us to have a > > good understanding of CF's capabilities so that when an opportunity > > does arise to promote CF as a solution or, conversely, to defend it > > against ignorant misconceptions, we are in a position to do it justice. > > > > Shane's experience has been that CF projects are generally small and > > uninteresting and Simon makes the salient point that it "is not the > > language that makes anyones job boring but rather the work you > > undertake". Before CF became underpinned by Java, the majority of the > > work it was being used for was smaller web projects. Now, CF has some > > amazing capabilities and it's up to us to learn and understand the > > abilities and limitations of CF so that we can build apps that that go > > beyond people expectations (ie. simple web apps). In the December > > 2005 CFDJ, Simon Horwith has a great article titled "Misconceptions and > > Myths About ColdFusion . . . debunked" > > (http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/172573.htm) which makes some great > > points and is worth a read. Scott said that when attempting to promote > > CF it's better to "focus on the roadmap forward" and on the "end goal" > > rather than the actual technology to get there, and I agree. However, > > at some point the topic of technology will arise and here it is > > critical that we can sell the benefits of CF and be prepared to debunk > > any false preconceptions of CF. The growth in the capabilities of CF > > over the past few years has really taken it out of the "simple web > > apps" solar system into the "enterprise applications" universe. The > > sooner IT overlords and there minions of underlings feel the power of > > CF (oh, now I am going on!) the better it will be for all of us. > > > > Cheers > > > > Nathan > > > > * "Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Web Application Construction Kit" and > > "Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Application Development" by Forta > > et al. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of > its related entities "Suncorp". > > Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on > 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. > > The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and > does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. 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