The podcasts contain some pretty interesting info. Namely Adobe and "trusted committers" will be responsible for the main source. I suppose this will be for the core branch... with forks for more focused audiences.
The expanded client market will drive more server sales. Red5 and co will benefit. Same principal as more CF server revenue. How does it invalidate Silverlight? I don't get the romantic connection.... hey I forgot valentines day too :) I agree there is an entry barrier. "Flashlight" has the same problem no? Scott, I don't get why you say "can't sustain both Web & Enterprise market with FLEX". What do you mean? How many kittens could we save if you nudge Microsoft along the open source path??? On 26/04/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I can see a lot of positives about Adobe's move in this regard, > suffice to say some interesting thoughts popped into my head for > CFMX'ers especially well anyone for that matter. > > Here's the thing I did wonder though today, what if Bluedragon + > WebORB + CFEclipse folks go together and formed an OS alliance. > > Now it gets interesting and not for Microsoft but Adobe... > > :) > > Immediate thoughts on the matter > > - Code-forking from compiler to frameworks > - Adobe is transparent, which can be an awesome thing but it could > bite them on the butt if there is too many moving pieces in this space > (it does promote healthy competition though). > - Could de-value their Server-side offerings, given Open AMF & Red5 > projects exist ( could be wrong). > - Initially appears to validate Silverlight's existence (ie those whom > love a good romance novel may end going the route "Flash Killer > reaction, Adobe announces OS version of FLEX in last minute hopes to > combat Microsoft" - not saying that's true but boy it would sell those > click-thrus hehehe (why let a lie get in the way of a good story eh!) > - Entry barrier got easier, but the playing field still hasn't changed > (ramp-up in learning FLEX, tools to support the language and Flash > Player itself is still closed off - although they did hint it may get > OS but hints could be a stimulation trigger only). > > + Developers have more control over their own destiny > + Developers will have opportunity to bend and sculpt Flex to suite > their own specific needs (ie WebORB could really do some interesting > things now). > + Microsoft for example could use this to bend and twist Flash into > Webparts for those whom prefer Flash etc (could). > + Open source movement saves a kitten today (for every day large > companies don't go Open Source, 1x Kitten dies). > + Adobe have now made their intentions clear with FLEX, Enterprise or > bust. They can't sustain both Web & Enterprise market with FLEX, so > it's easier to put a post-it note on the side of this and say "you do > it" meanwhile, over in the Enterprise space there's a stronger focus > on building that initiative (which means good for Enterprise folks > whom see value in Adobe's offerings as they won't be distracted now). > > *shrug* > > I can see both positive and negatives, I'd simply say "With time, > comes life but equally comes ageing" (ie meaning it could be a > non-event or a milestone event.. time..just time...) > > > > On 4/26/07, Angus Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're right Andrew. Not all the source was available, rpc for one. Also > you > > can't currently recompile the framework if you want to strip out debug > for > > instance. so i guess we'll be able to do that soon. > > > > > > On 26/04/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Angus > > > > > > You're quite correct about a relationship between Flex and ColdFusion > > > sales. I interviewed Tim Buntel at MAX last year for BuilderAU and he > > > told me then that CF sales had been helped by Flex. Scorpio will > > > offer even better Flex support so if you're building frontends in Flex > > > and you want to connect to data one easy choice will be ColdFusion. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > On 26/04/07, Angus Johnson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ok here's my take... > > > > > > > > It's really not unexpected. The SDK source was provided from day > one, > > this > > > > at least makes it official. No more concerns about IP when building > > custom > > > > components. > > > > > > > > From a Coldfusion perspective? > > > > > > > > Learn Flex / Actionscript as of yesterday. There's going to be an > > explosion > > > > in the number of sexy drag and drop UI components. Coldfusion front > ends > > in > > > > html are going to seem ho hum at best. (Even if they are uber cool > > > > ajax/dhtml). > > > > > > > > I see Coldfusion server sales picking up as Flex/AS3 cuts into php, > asp, > > > > other markets. This is a natural flow on from a bigger slice of the > web > > > > technology pie that Adobe will reap. > > > > > > > > New functionality will focus on server side integration eg email and > > > > database servers not front end. Front end = Flex / Flash. > > > > > > > > CF may continue to have a role in document management ie, search > engine > > safe > > > > but I seriously doubt that this one wont be better handled via > Flex/AS > > > > interfaces as well. Interesting to see how Adobe works in pdf > handling. > > > > > > > > Flex Data Services / Live Cycle Data Services will be the bridge > between > > CF > > > > and Flex more so than today. > > > > > > > > Don't even get me started on how Apollo will change things. I > suspect > > that > > > > it will be open sourced as well. > > > > > > > > While I would like CF to be open source I don't see it going that > way. > > Sorry > > > > Andrew :) > > > > > > > > CF will continue on, bigger market share but more enterprise back > end in > > > > nature. > > > > > > > > How's that? > > > > Angus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26/04/07, Andrew Scott < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Barry, > > > > > > > > > > My first reaction, what date is it again oh wow its past April > 1st:-) > > > > > > > > > > My second reaction, after I picked myself of the floor, that is a > very > > > > bold > > > > > and very strategic move by Adobe on this. My thoughts are that it > > would be > > > > > to compete with Blend / WPF / silverlight or whatever they damn > call > > it > > > > > these days. > > > > > > > > > > But what a move... Please pinch me when they do this for CF *lol* > > > > > > > > > > But to be honest I think that even though Flex has a strong > following, > > > > > people are really adopting open source even more and this would be > a > > great > > > > > example of a product that will endeavour to survive past its due > date, > > if > > > > > there ever was one:-) And people are going to feel like they are > > shaping > > > > its > > > > > future, as well as getting bug fixes released quickly. > > > > > > > > > > Great move Adobe, absolutely fantastic is all I can say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Scott > > > > > Senior Coldfusion Developer > > > > > Aegeon Pty. Ltd. > > > > > www.aegeon.com.au > > > > > Phone:+613 8676 4223 > > > > > Mobile: 0404 998 273 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > > > Behalf > > > > > Of Barry Beattie > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2007 3:55 PM > > > > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > > > > Subject: [cfaussie] What's it all mean for CF developers? [Flex > now > > Open > > > > > Source'd] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Flex has been open-sourced... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.onflex.org/ted/2007/04/flex-goes-open-source-mpl.php > > > > > > > > > > what's it mean for us CF people? > > > > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > b > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Andrew Muller > > > http://www.webqem.com > > > > > > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905 > > > > > > > > > Mobile: +61 (0) 409 721 701 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > -- http://allthgo.com Phone: +61 (0) 7 3857 3880 Mobile: +61 (0) 409 721 701 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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