Incorrect Robin I (with support from Sarah Barry who still works there) was teaching 120+ students Coldfusion as part of the CertIV of IT at QANTM College, Brisbane. ICAITB070A was the unit. Plus projects. For nearly 10 months.
from simple CFLOOP thru to MVC archetecture with CFC's. of that, 2 people I know went on to be good coldFusion programmers (G'day Rob.S). possibly more. 120 students. Jesus! think of the viral marketing of that. Macromedia (at the time) did not lift a finger in support. You were working for them at the time. giving licences away to an educational institution would have reaped benefits to this day and beyond. Next year, change of management and I was gone, CF was out and PHP was in because the "new broom" didn't want to spend one cent on server technology. considering the number of students going through the place, that's a lot of lost embassidors. On 5/30/07, Robin Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 30/05/2007, at 10:15 PM, Simon Haddon wrote: > > Portability speaks for itself... many (all?) hosting companies have > > IIS or PHP servers, but the number of them that support CF is > > dwindling. The number of companies supporting or developing in CF is > > also dwindling. If our customers want to take their website to someone > > else, they will be severely restricted in where they can go - some may > > see this as a good thing, but we don't believe in making ourselves > > indispensable to the detriment of the client. It's the same deal with > > ASP (not ASP.NET) - a lot of companies simply aren't supporting it > > anymore. > > Where do you get you figure from? Or don't you have any. > > > I'm sure I mentioned this a few months back, but in some work I was doing > for a client I wrote a scanner to count ColdFusion domains and servers on > the internet. Over the last 3 or so years the number of .au ColdFusion > domains has risen from 2,100 to well over 4,000. > > Long time readers of cfaussie know I can't resist sticking my oar into > threads like this. Here's the 11pm and tired version of my response: > > 1. There is a shortage of devs of all types at present, and has been for > about the last year and a bit. This is a natural outcome of the slump after > the tech wreck which discouraged people from getting into Comp Sci courses > and the like (Sydney U CS has lowest intake since the 1970s). Every CF shop > I know is flat out at present. > > 2. Apart from a short while at Crows Nest TAFE, ColdFusion has never been > taught by a university or TAFE. In the case of Computer Science courses I > think this is perfectly ok - Any web specific technology is too vocational > for this purpose. In the case of TAFEs, A lot depends on the staff at each > TAFE. If you became a TAFE instructor you could probably choose to make a > course out of it, but then you could be out earning programming dollars (see > 1). > > 3. ColdFusion isn't for everyone - that's fine. It's best point has always > been RAD, and if CF winds up in a stable part of your application stack > (e.g. I suspect this is the case for Gary's team) say as middleware for some > other presentation technology and with a very fixed set of back ends to > integrate with, and little new development, then the RAD aspect is less > important and a Java solution may be more cost effective. Another way RAD > can become less important is if you have a good framework in the other > technology (and you actually use it - that's the hard part). Good > architecture evens out the differences somewhat, but the level of discipline > required is pretty rare. BTW interfaces have been mentioned for Scorpio, > although I don't think you're ever going to see strong compile time typing > in CF - that's not what it's for, and Java integration is easy. > > 4. Apart from situations like (3), I've never bought the cost argument for a > second. 90% of project costs are developer hours. In a RAD environment CF > servers pay for themselves in days or weeks. If your business can afford > 20,000 in development time and not 1,600 for a CF standard license (not to > mention all the hosting options) something very weird is going on. If you > can't justify 80/month for decent CF hosting, perhaps what you're doing is > more a hobby than a business. > > Robin > > ______________ > > Robin Hilliard > Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd > Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training > http://www.rocketboots.com.au > m +61 418 414 341 > e [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
