On Jun 28, 2:10 pm, "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Using JSP, Struts, Spring, Hibernate, and a few other software that sits on > top of an application server we have a product that is going (hopefully) be > very profitable. Now, the thing is that some of the features that CF would > have been used for, IM, gateways, html processing, PDF documents, reports to > name a few.
And if your architecture allowed you could easily leverage a set of CF servers to handle any of these tasks in a distributed fashion. > We have sourced all open source solutions, and what licenses we have paid > for comes to a total of $2k. > > What coldfusion would have been good for, is the middle tear application > that delivered in a very short time frame all those solutions with minimal > coding, plus the ability to prove the other features we have for client side > more easily. The basic problem is your architecture.. pure and simple. You are trying to suggest that somehow CF licensing is limiting your options but the reality is your solution is unique and CF licensing is not designed for it. Only teams developing a packaged solution would build 100 identical servers to run all the same services side by side -- a more typical solution is to build a set of servers to run IM, a set of servers to handle reporting and so on. Isolating each set of services into an application of its own and connect them all up. But hey I know nothing about your *actual* set up. What I do know is that this has nothing to do with CF licensing -- unless you are suggesting that *all* commercial software licensing is useless. Adobe is profitable selling CF. They have consistently released a full product release every 1.5 years for the last decade. Could their licensing be improved? Yeah, maybe it can. But clearly there are plenty of people who are happy to use CF as a platform as is. > Now the regardless or not of what we are looking at, one has to seriously > look at how many larger companies are looking for Enterprise solutions and > then look at the cost of a CF license ontop of devleopment costs to deliver. > The point is it shows that coldfusion is not a competitor (a serious one) in > that market, I know that there are TLP licensing but I am not the one who > controls the finances. This is where you completely miss the point banging on about your situation as though it fits anybody else. The reality is that for the *vast* majority of CF installations worldwide the cost of development and ongoing maintenance greatly exceed the cost of the initial server license. Talk to Adobe. Clearly you guys are not serious about CF in your architecture as you haven't. Who knows, get an OEM deal for 100kAUD for unlimited embedded version of CF8 and 100 servers is 1k per server. 1000 servers is 100AU per server. > Sure there is a lot of work for boutiques, web development for the average > developer. But seriously how many people on this list as used Coldfusion in > an Enterprise solution to this sort of scale. The question is idiotic. Enterprise does not mean 100+ servers. We have plenty of clients who need and run ColdFusion Enterprise on single, dual or larger server clusters. We continue to find the return on investment significant. Adobe themselves run one of the largest web assets in the world on a cluster of two ColdFusion servers. > This is not about me and my gripes, this is about every Coldfusion developer > and how we are loosing a market due to costings. If anything we lose market and mindshare every-time we see constant moaning in forums about the price of CF. To follow your absurd train of thought Adobe should be dropping the price of CF Enterprise to 200AU. -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ PS. apologies to all and sundry, I know I should not feed it... --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
