In hosting I would say yes..
On 6/30/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So really the only benefits would be hardware costs, but you would need to > be upgrading things like ram, drive capacityy and cpu to maintain > performance, and I guess data center costs for rack space. > > So is it really worth it? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) > Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2007 3:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 > > > An interesting call for Adobe to make, or perhaps it's in the EULA, but I > would assume you'd need a license per VM since using VMWare basically > allows > for several server installs (including OS). Unless using a virtualisation > method within a single OS install such as the stuff from SWSoft. > > Regards > Bruce > > ----------------------------------------- > Bruce Trevarthen, CEO > ZeroOne (NZ) Limited > --- > DDI: +64 4 4714444 > Mobile: +64 21 567967 > ------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of Steve Onnis > Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 5:29 p.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 > > > So then from a cf server licensing perspective, can anyone tell me if I > could use the same CF license on multiple VMs? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) > Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 1:11 PM > To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 > > > Hi Steve > > CPU: > VMWare lets you assign GHz per Virtual Server and they won't go over that. > So if you have dual 2Ghz CPU's then you safely run 3 Virtual Servers at > 1GHz > each. You need to keep some core processing capacity available for the > host > operating system. > > RAM: > Correct, you assign RAM per Virtual Server and to run more Virtual Servers > you need more RAM. Since with VMWare Windows is not your base host you > don't need to consider STD versus Enterprise. But VMWare does have three > versions to choose from with various Virtual Server feature support in > each. > For example VMotion is only in the Enterprise edition. > > SOFTWARE: > Again you're correct, each VM is just as if it were a physical server in > the > eye's of software licenses, even Microsoft still expect a Processor > license > per Virtual Server even though it's only one physical CPU underneath it > all. > > OTHER: > Yes you can run VMWare "farms" and you can have things clustered, the best > way to setup VM's is to have consolidated central storage, i.e. a > SAN. Then > the actual server doing the "front-end" delivery of your services is not > the > same hardware housing the virtual machine images, means you can "image" > and > "move" virtual servers from hardware to hardware without shifting the > (what > could be) 100GB virtual machine image. Enterprise edition VMotion allows > you to shift servers from hardware to hardware whilst still in production, > I've seen this done and the process dropped 3 packets in the process and > no > users noticed. Without enterprise edition you can still do cool stuff > like > move a VM to another server for the sake of performance without a rebuild, > but because the VM needs to be offline for imaging you'll have several > minutes down time in the process. > > Cheers > Bruce > > ----------------------------------------- > Bruce Trevarthen, CEO > ZeroOne (NZ) Limited > --- > DDI: +64 4 4714444 > Mobile: +64 21 567967 > ------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of Steve Onnis > Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 3:02 p.m. > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] > Subject: [cfaussie] Virtual Servers 101 > > > I have posted this in both the water cooler and in cfaussie cause I don't > know who's in who :) And it sort of follows on from the whole licensing > costs topic and I guess optimizing cf server setups. > > > Couple of questions RE virtual servers > > CPU > --------------- > If the CPU maxes out in a virtual server, does it max out in all the > others? > I mean it is after all the same CPU being used across the virtual servers. > > RAM > --------------- > I have played with the VMWare locally and I had to split my ram up into > blocks for each VM to use. This means a healthy machine with say 4 gig of > ram, to be able to run multiple VMs would have to have, I would say, at > least a gig of ram each. Is that right? Then you could run 4 VMs on a > single box? So if you wanted more VMs then you would need to get more > RAM. > Depending on the initial OS your running, you would probably have to > upgrade > your OS to be able to use the extra RAM you put in as well. > > Software > --------------- > How would running VM help with software licensing? You basically run each > VM as its own independent OS don't you? So if you had 4 VMs running, that > means 4x OS licenses, 4x CF licenses, then FTP servers and any other stuff > you need to run on it. Wouldn't that then increase the cost? Or is it > for > the machine itself? So could I install and run a single CF license on > multiple VMs legally without having to purchase a new license for each VM? > Not to mention the initial OS license cost for the machine itself. > > > I know you have the advantage of quickly being able to set up new VMs by > duplicating an existing one, but at what cost to the server. I wouldn't > imagine you could run VM server farms, although that would be good if you > could. 2 VMs on a single machine clustered. Mmmmmmm interesting for my > feeble mind. > > Mind you, this whole topic of VMs is out of my realm of experience, so > would > be great to get some feedback/advise/pointers/corrections on what im > saying > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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