No, even shared you can cluster instances providing more for your buck.
On 6/30/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why yes? > > The only reason i can see is a service perspective, being able to offer > clients their own VS without having to load up racks with equipment. But > then what you would be charging a client to do that, you could pick up a > decent server for a couple of grand and give them that. You still have all > the over heads of software licensing. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Andrew Scott > *Sent:* Saturday, 30 June 2007 3:41 PM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 > > > In hosting I would say yes.. > > > > On 6/30/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > So really the only benefits would be hardware costs, but you would need > > to > > be upgrading things like ram, drive capacityy and cpu to maintain > > performance, and I guess data center costs for rack space. > > > > So is it really worth it? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > Of Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) > > Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2007 3:36 PM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 > > > > > > An interesting call for Adobe to make, or perhaps it's in the EULA, but > > I > > would assume you'd need a license per VM since using VMWare basically > > allows > > for several server installs (including OS). Unless using a > > virtualisation > > method within a single OS install such as the stuff from SWSoft. > > > > Regards > > Bruce > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Bruce Trevarthen, CEO > > ZeroOne (NZ) Limited > > --- > > DDI: +64 4 4714444 > > Mobile: +64 21 567967 > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > Of Steve Onnis > > Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 5:29 p.m. > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 > > > > > > So then from a cf server licensing perspective, can anyone tell me if I > > could use the same CF license on multiple VMs? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > Of Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) > > Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 1:11 PM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 > > > > > > Hi Steve > > > > CPU: > > VMWare lets you assign GHz per Virtual Server and they won't go over > > that. > > So if you have dual 2Ghz CPU's then you safely run 3 Virtual Servers at > > 1GHz > > each. You need to keep some core processing capacity available for the > > host > > operating system. > > > > RAM: > > Correct, you assign RAM per Virtual Server and to run more Virtual > > Servers > > you need more RAM. Since with VMWare Windows is not your base host you > > don't need to consider STD versus Enterprise. But VMWare does have > > three > > versions to choose from with various Virtual Server feature support in > > each. > > For example VMotion is only in the Enterprise edition. > > > > SOFTWARE: > > Again you're correct, each VM is just as if it were a physical server in > > the > > eye's of software licenses, even Microsoft still expect a Processor > > license > > per Virtual Server even though it's only one physical CPU underneath it > > all. > > > > OTHER: > > Yes you can run VMWare "farms" and you can have things clustered, the > > best > > way to setup VM's is to have consolidated central storage, i.e. a > > SAN. Then > > the actual server doing the "front-end" delivery of your services is not > > the > > same hardware housing the virtual machine images, means you can "image" > > and > > "move" virtual servers from hardware to hardware without shifting the > > (what > > could be) 100GB virtual machine image. Enterprise edition VMotion > > allows > > you to shift servers from hardware to hardware whilst still in > > production, > > I've seen this done and the process dropped 3 packets in the process and > > no > > users noticed. Without enterprise edition you can still do cool stuff > > like > > move a VM to another server for the sake of performance without a > > rebuild, > > but because the VM needs to be offline for imaging you'll have several > > minutes down time in the process. > > > > Cheers > > Bruce > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Bruce Trevarthen, CEO > > ZeroOne (NZ) Limited > > --- > > DDI: +64 4 4714444 > > Mobile: +64 21 567967 > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > Of Steve Onnis > > Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 3:02 p.m. > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Virtual Servers 101 > > > > > > I have posted this in both the water cooler and in cfaussie cause I > > don't > > know who's in who :) And it sort of follows on from the whole licensing > > costs topic and I guess optimizing cf server setups. > > > > > > Couple of questions RE virtual servers > > > > CPU > > --------------- > > If the CPU maxes out in a virtual server, does it max out in all the > > others? > > I mean it is after all the same CPU being used across the virtual > > servers. > > > > RAM > > --------------- > > I have played with the VMWare locally and I had to split my ram up into > > blocks for each VM to use. This means a healthy machine with say 4 gig > > of > > ram, to be able to run multiple VMs would have to have, I would say, at > > least a gig of ram each. Is that right? Then you could run 4 VMs on a > > single box? So if you wanted more VMs then you would need to get more > > RAM. > > Depending on the initial OS your running, you would probably have to > > upgrade > > your OS to be able to use the extra RAM you put in as well. > > > > Software > > --------------- > > How would running VM help with software licensing? You basically run > > each > > VM as its own independent OS don't you? So if you had 4 VMs running, > > that > > means 4x OS licenses, 4x CF licenses, then FTP servers and any other > > stuff > > you need to run on it. Wouldn't that then increase the cost? Or is it > > for > > the machine itself? So could I install and run a single CF license on > > multiple VMs legally without having to purchase a new license for each > > VM? > > Not to mention the initial OS license cost for the machine itself. > > > > > > I know you have the advantage of quickly being able to set up new VMs by > > > > duplicating an existing one, but at what cost to the server. I wouldn't > > imagine you could run VM server farms, although that would be good if > > you > > could. 2 VMs on a single machine clustered. Mmmmmmm interesting for my > > feeble mind. > > > > Mind you, this whole topic of VMs is out of my realm of experience, so > > would > > be great to get some feedback/advise/pointers/corrections on what im > > saying > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Senior Coldfusion Developer > Aegeon Pty. Ltd. > www.aegeon.com.au > Phone: +613 8676 4223 > Mobile: 0404 998 273 > > > -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. 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