Fortunately for all of us, I'm not nearly childish enough to be drawn into an extended 
spamfest with the likes of you as part of the struggle to get the last word.

And you're just upset cause you were owned and that was the best comeback you could 
come up with. j00 R /\/0+ l33+

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 3:37 PM
To: CFAussie Mailing List
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFMX Updater 3 Released


Heh, I got the last word neh neh.

Scott

"Sean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm waiting untill I top your post about the CFUG site before I start
gloating. I always wanted a single post that went past 3 full volumes of the
oxford english dictionary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 2:56 PM
To: CFAussie Mailing List
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFMX Updater 3 Released


You doing a book signing this arvo? If that post gets any longer i think
you'll have to publish it into seperate novels.

Scott.

"Sean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

*twitches* its mine! Sharing is just admitting that you can't keep it.

As far as opera? The interface is superior, performance shits all over IE,
history/logging/privacy handling makes IE look like the great hulking pile
of dog crap it is. The tabbed paging interface, shortcut nav bars, auto nav
headers and the general structure makes IE look like crap. It is just a
better browser, and the only issues I've found to date with page renders are
people who try to browser detect and screw the pooch with the 'changed'
render for Opera.

And you java freaks can just all backoff! Bill and the MStappo are on my
side.

On the topic of the site thought? Yeah I think the site is ugly, but I don't
care. The interface is basically good, its just poorly applied. Take the
interface for the download page, add updates to the same freakin layout,
treat it like a support page.

For all that I get slapped down for accusing MM of having their model built
on marketing? if its not marketing its crass ineptitude, and they strike in
general as too clever by half to be annoyingly retarded about their policy
adoption. There's also possibly, just possibly, the option of overwhelming
pants are too much effort, fuckit I'll go to work in my slippers and
bathrobe laziness... Which I admire at a basic level as I'm still striving
for new and more unproductive ways to be a lazy bastard, and I couln't hope
to emulate it... But I can't really see another option.

The 'new' page as such isn't really my beef. Its the attitude towards
support. Its made 'hard' to resolve the issues that are experienced using
the products. Its made expensive to get help resolving the issues with the
products. Its made tempting to go play with Microsoft again and be content
in 'well yeah its ugly, but it doesn't piss me off'.

I don't have a problem at all with MM charging out the clacker for support.
Thats fine by me. But if its going to cost either a VERY expensive support
licence, a very large credit card hit, or your three first born in an
offering to the powers that be to get support, then I'm presuming that MM
don't actually really want to be doing support.

Christ knows thats how I manage my demand for services I don't want to
provide. I charge exorbitantly untill people decide that they don't really
want to bother me, or pay me enough to make it worth my time.

Of course, if you take that approach, you need to also at the same time
provide the necessary tools to say 'go away and don't bother me, you can do
it your damn self' and make them relatively easy to get too. Otherwise your
business walks.

And dude, please, for the love of god, don't explain about how getting
married and bending over to take it like a man are connected, not that
there's anything wrong with that... but just ... Don't share.



-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 8:53 AM
To: CFAussie Mailing List
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFMX Updater 3 Released


Dude,

Pass the crack pipe around, and stop hogging it.

Firstly, you use Opera? What kind of freak are you using an inferior browser
other than IE.. accept the bain of Microsoft.. hey aren't you a microsoft
weeny? I coulda sworn you have preeched some MS propergander here and there
(watches all the java guys have that "lets get him look" about them).

Secondly,
The MM site to me and me being such a whacky bastard I am, is fine? I don't
know what the frekin hell peoples issues are with the Site? Like step back
and admire the view you kooky bastards.

Its the typical shit though, you get something new out there and people
start nailing the arms/legs of the new concept back to the wall and asking,
"In the past we did this and that,  and it worked".. to which I reply

"In the past, I was single, enjoying life, allowed to perv on some of the
fine hotties that walk past and my future consisted of whether or not I
wanted to buy a Dirt Bike this year...or  a new tiny god of a PC
entertainment system"

Back to reality..

I'm now married, babey on the way, paying a mortgage and I drive an astra
instead of that "porsche" i had my eye on... Point is, with new things come
new experiences, come new pains and above all NEVER GET MARRIED! :D

So bend over, accept the new site, its not going to change back.

Scott




"Sean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I feel like I'm starting to get Catty about the MM page, but FFS.
>
> After turning on plain html accessibility options, I've browsed to the
> appropriate doodats and found the download link, on clicking it, its
> selected 'please download flash' ... but I'm using the plain HTML
> accessibility options? piss off, give it to me in html. grrrr.
>
> Oh... wait, I'm using opera, here's a link to the IE download page -
grrrr.
>
> So after firing up IE (grrrr) and browsing back, before I can download it,
I
> need to volunteer my email address? WHY? piss off! What? Please sign up
for
> notification about future CFMX releases? sure! why the hell not, I've
signed
> up for it at least a dozen times already and not gotten an email back yet
> apart from the confirmations. I'd be more upset about the collecting my
> email for spam purposes. But since I've been using an email address with
> macromedia in it (nomacromediaspam@ it seems that I don't get any email
> returned from MM... I'm wondering if there's a regex that fitlers out spam
> catchers? Or if they just never send bloody emails about updaters.
>
> Ahh! 3 rants, two f$(kits and a cranky geek later, the download starts...
> grrrr...
>
> I dunno, I just don't like this interface. Too much 'oooh purdy' not
enough
> 'useful'. Far too many clicks, far too much personal information, and far
> too much client configuration requirement to be good.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CFAussie Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:08 AM
> Subject: [cfaussie] RE: CFMX Updater 3 Released
>
>
> > Take that back... I hate that you can't tell when somethings downloading
> > with flash..
> >
> > Brian Gilbert
> >
> > Wesley College, Melbourne Australia
> > Position:  Web Architect
> > E-mail:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Ph:          +61 (0)3 9881 5459
> > Fx:           +61 (0)3 9802 0142
> >
> > Personal Website: http://www.realityloop.com/
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/20/03 11:06am >>>
> > It'd be nice if the download link worked tho..
> >
> > I'm just getting empty flash framing in the look of the rest of site..
> >
> > Brian Gilbert
> >
> > Wesley College, Melbourne Australia
> > Position:  Web Architect
> > E-mail:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Ph:          +61 (0)3 9881 5459
> > Fx:           +61 (0)3 9802 0142
> >
> > Personal Website: http://www.realityloop.com/
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/20/03 10:49am >>>
> > From Steven Erat from cftalk:
> >
> > > CFMX Updater 3 Released March 20, 2003
> > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/special/updater/faq/
> > >
> > > CFMX Updater3 Release Notes
> > >
> >
>
http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenotes_mx
> >
> >
> > _updater.html
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
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> > Mark Stanton
> > Web Production
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> > Mob: 0410 458 201
> > Fax: 9956 8433
> > www.gruden.com
> >
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