My problems with service factories are largely controlling them rather then using them. As a host? undocumented or not, they still work. That makes them a pain in my ass. But there is also some useful functionality I haven't found anywhere else. Like the user control functions. Checking several security functions AFAIK just isn't possible outside of factory services.
Searching for a particular example (that I still can't bloody find!) turns up at least one use of the factory services in the _mmServerScripts generated by DWMX that can't be distributed... but is placed ina directory in plain text. I dunno. I dont recall ever altering, mergeing, adapting or translating the Software, or decompiling, reverse engineering, disassembling, or otherwise reducing the Software to a human-perceivable form. I saw some code samples on a list that did some nifty stuff... Nifty stuff that punched great big security holes in my shared servers... but still nifty stuff. At the very least, I don't see how using or talking about functionality availible on every server, without having to alter or modify anything on the server could possibly be a violation of the EULA. But then I never did work out how Napster was violating copywrite laws by providing a mechanism that was misused. I've got one of those simple views. I'm almost certain somebody broke the EULA at some point... either by decrypting something they shouldn't have, or by decrypting something and then making it public knowledge. But that person wasn't me. Ergo, not my bag. If I had to hack a config file? or decrypt something to make a change to it? or otherwise alter the server to make factory services work? yah. With ya 100%. That'd be bad. But I don't. So its not. At least in my ever so humble opinion. Unless Robin was warning people away from suggesting that barry go decrypt the administrator to find examples of the factory services... Which I didn't see anybody doing, or even considering as a plausable option, I'm just confused. But it is 6 am... -----Original Message----- From: Steve Onnis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 6 June 2003 1:04 AM To: CFAussie Mailing List Subject: [cfaussie] Re: cf.Factory (coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory) Sean Basically it comes down to software licencing. http://www.macromedia.com/software/eula/server/ ----------------------------------------------- Section 3 (b) of the EULA You may not alter, merge, adapt or translate the Software, or decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or otherwise reduce the Software to a human-perceivable form. ----------------------------------------------- I ask you this. Whats the point of an administrator if all your gonna do is get into it, see how it works and create your own code that will do what the administrator does. From a point of view of a hosting provider this would be a nightmare. But from a developers point of view, there is good cause to see how it ticks. Regardless of each ones perception of what is good and what is bad, the EULA is the bible so to speak and if you violate the EULA, then good luck to you. As Spike says, if its not documented, its not documented for a reason. Coldfusion provides to developers a set of tags to do what we need to do, and what ever special things run the administrator should not be used in development. Macromedia can change, add or even remove any of those "special" tags/functions at any time from its andministrator product, so why would you rely on them for your applications. Anyway Thats my bit Steve -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sean Sent: Friday, 6 June 2003 12:47 AM To: CFAussie Mailing List Subject: [cfaussie] Re: cf.Factory (coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory) Hi Robin, Color me confused... But does making use of the cffactory services involve breaking the EULA? I'm told they're used fairly extensively in the administrator application... but I first found out about them from a developer list, and learned most everything I know about them from CFDUMP and some constructive experimentation. I'm admittedly hazy on the exact details of the EULA off the top of my head. But I'm a touch curious what dangerous ground we're treading on? -----Original Message----- From: Robin Hilliard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 5 June 2003 7:57 PM To: CFAussie Mailing List Subject: [cfaussie] Re: cf.Factory (coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory) Don't forget what Geoff said about discussing stuff that breaks the EULA on the list... "Beattie, Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi all > > anyone know of more documentation (and examples?) for cf.Factory other than > > http://www1.oli.tudelft.nl/jochemd/index.cfm?PageID=10 > > ??? It's the only link I can find on it > > thanx > barry.b --- You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MX Downunder AsiaPac DevCon - http://mxdu.com/
