I'm sorry, but you've got it all wrong.

All the blurbs and marketing speak on the Mozilla Firebird page say that this 
wonderful new product is going to replace IE.
Well, if it behaves like this, then its never going to make a dent in IEs numbers.

I go along with what Gary said 100%. I have been a paid IT professional for over 16 
years now. I've installed software in support roles and I've been a web developer now 
for 8 years. I haven't been a 'n00b' since the Eighties.
Like Gary, I'm also doing my 8-10+ hour days working as a developer and don't have 
time to evaluate every new browser that comes out, just to see, after using them for 
hours and hours, that I get 3 new functions with this browser, but lose another 7 and 
have to learn a new set of shortcuts and behaviours.
Installing this browser is wasting my time, and showing no benefits yet. It is 
unnecessarily complicated. There is no reason why I should _have_ to hunt out install 
instructions to install a browser in the year 2003. This is a bad thing.
I was a diehard Netscape user, before there was an Internet Explorer. I downloaded 
every new beta version of Netscape as they came out. I reluctantly ditched Netscape in 
favour of IE when Netscape became a bloated set of computer and browser crashing 
errors.
IE wasn't perfect, but it got better and better.
IE doesn't crash my PC. It doesn't even crash its self. It works every time. It starts 
up quickly.
The visitors of 90+% of websites that I work on use IE. I regularly check for security 
updates at Microsoft, so I don't have any security issues.

I don't like Microsoft's business practices, but I've got to say, their browser works 
just fine!
I've seen the website that lists the 100+ things that Mozilla does better than IE, and 
I only found 2 or 3 that I thought might be useful, but still weren't so amazing that 
I'd bother changing browsers for. 
IE doesn't make coffee either, and I don't care. I don't need it to make coffee.
I don't need tabbed browsing, I don't need to reskin my browser, and I don't need to 
see the source code for my browser either.

That's the end of my rant.
Sorry about the length of it.
(I think I mentioned earlier that I was cynical)

Regards

Darren Tracey

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 4:11 PM
> To: CFAussie Mailing List
> Subject: [cfaussie] RE: OT: Quick poll on browser usage
> 
> 
> No no, you're having a 'bad n00b user experience'!  I'd 
> expect my mum to whine about a lack of a packaged 
> installation, not a veteran developer ;)  Some of my most 
> used pieces of software have no setup, just an exe and some 
> supporting files if needed.
> 
> "Mozilla Firebird 0.7 is a Technology Preview. While this 
> software works well in most cases, generally well enough to 
> be relied upon as your primary browser, we make no guarantees 
> of its performance or stability in its pre-1.0 state and it 
> should not be relied upon for mission-critical tasks."
> 
> Perhaps the 1.0 will be more n00b friendly, but I'm not going 
> to hold surface problems against it until then...
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darren Tracey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 3:33 PM
> > To: CFAussie Mailing List
> > Subject: [cfaussie] RE: OT: Quick poll on browser usage
> > 
> > 
> > So if you click on the very large link at the top left hand 
> > corner of http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/ that says 
> > 'Download Mozilla Firebird 0.7 for Windows' you don't 
> > actually get an installation file, but a zip file that gives 
> > you an incomplete install.
> > If you take the very small link below that that offers 
> > Install Instructions, and then go to the very end of the page 
> > it takes you to, you get told to unzip the file into an empty 
> > directory and run the .exe file called Firebird... 
> > There's nothing about Jiggery-Pokery.
> > 
> > Hmmm....
> > I'm having a 'bad user experience' with this piece of software!
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Darren Tracey
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Leon Seremelis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 3:51 PM
> > > To: CFAussie Mailing List
> > > Subject: [cfaussie] RE: OT: Quick poll on browser usage
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If you didn't use the Installer program to install it and 
> > > just used the zip file then you need to create some magical 
> > > jiggery-pokery registry entries manually. More info:
> > > 
> > > http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/phoenix.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > So is this a bug in just this version, or is there some 
> > > > magical jiggery-pokery that you need to do to get flash to 
> > > > work in Firebird?
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 
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