The CFID and CFTOKEN have to relate, you can change one without knowing
the exact ID of the other.  And if you're using UUID for CFTOKEN then
"good luck" guessing a valid key.

BAT


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Barry
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but won't that help to session hijacking where you modify the CFID
values?

cheers
barry.b

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Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 10:34 AM
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You could just modify all links and form submissions and cflocations to
include the CFID and CFTOKEN in the URL, negating the need for client
cookies at all.  I believe you get the choice in CFAPPLICATION as to
setting cookies or not.

BAT
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Bruce Trevarthen
ZeroOn (NZ) Limited

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Menzel
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 1:27 p.m.
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Subject: [cfaussie] RE: sessions won't go away


We don't use Client Management.  But that would not make any difference
if 
we did.

The only keys you have a for a CF Session are CFID and CFTOKEN.

And it is these that we want destroyed in the COOKIE.

You just cannot guarantee that a user will press a LOGOUT button that
will 
allow you to destroy persistent information on the server side.

And you can't stop people fudging cookies either.

Bottom line for us - it comes down to a security issue.  Maybe it is 
overkill - but we know absolutely what is and isn't possible with our 
sessions now.


Gary Menzel
Web Development Manager
IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited
Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000
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