hmm, I see your point but I partially agree to it. Go to Careerone.com.au, search for Brisbane, enter java, asp, php, cold fusion, coldfusion, web, html etc..
You'll see the pattern slim pickings. Go to Sydney, they grow in size, but not really an abundance of roles and lets face it, even some of those roles advertised have probably expired or won't get their act together (just because someone advertises they need a developer doesn't mean they actually need one...which reaaaaaaaaaaaally farrrkin pisses a lot of developers off..why advertise for a role and not follow through, stop wasting peoples time!) Point is, if you use careerone as a guage, the entire IT Industry programming wise looks pretty grim, if not dark and scarey. I'm not saying the job hunt is all roses and dead easy, its not its quite hard at the moment (I made THE biggest mistake, by leaving Tourism Queensland..i had a nice cushy job there - something i regret) and i've taken the leap. I too have been burnt, i've been in two work places in under 6 months, 3 months at a time. First one, ...won't comment, Second One is great, no real reason to leave this current position here at ABN AMRO, other then the fact that I ride dirtbikes a lot in my spare time, and if i fall break my wrist, bills won't get paid..that or if my son is sick (which is a lot due to a condition he has) i can't stay at home and look after him. So i need a Full time position to give me the benefit of having sick days and all those typical perks you get with full time, so i sadly leave ABN AMRO. That being said, i've found 3 jobs in under 6 months, all paying very attractive (i've earned more in the past 6 months then I have ever..even in the dot com boom). Point is, if the job market is all doom and gloom, how is a total git like me able to find high paying work? and been in a position to CHOOSE to leave 2 great places (TQ & ABN AMRO) for another position that suites my taste? Thats my take, its not all gloom and doom and if you think you're going to base an entire career goal around a sample of the job market via mainstream news papers, its kind of better you don't join the community as until you decide what it is you want out of a career, you're better off elsewhere in my opinion. So, I agree that from a new bloods eyes it can appear "dried up", but i disagree that its a deciding factor in what someone will do with their career. If that being the case, then we are all screwd, especially with the IT Industry in Australia at the moment recovering after a slump. If you flood the market with new blood also, it can HURT us as developers as they can screw jobs up, resulting in potential employers being pissed off with the whole web experience. They can reduce our rates, simply by cheap labour (which saldy happens already). If you are an employer and reading this, heres a bit of advice. When you hire a Junior, do not expect any productive work from them until a min 6 months has passed. They aren't skilled, they are their to learn and build up experience to later add to your team (in other words, they are not cheap labour). Some pick up the pace rapidly, others don't but please do not expect them to take on large amount of work just because they decided one day "I might be a programmer". - I have seen this happen 6 times in the last 7 years, and it really annoys me as its not their fault the employer has limited use over their own brain. While at the same time, developers, teach them and remember they won't be able to write uber code upfront. Anywho, thats my take so far. Interesting thread this is getting though, i find it interesting to see how people are guaging the CFMX scene as is. I'm still undecided at the moment, but interested. Regards Scott Barnes ex-ABN AMRO MORGAN Code-Monkey. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23/11/2004 03:15:01 PM: > Again the jobs are circulating in a small circle to developers that are > already developing in CF, which makes it harder for new blood to come along > and pick up CF (and that is were the future will be, in the new blood) and > run a career with it, and this is why I will stand by and say that CF will > not survive unless the attitude of Macromedia changes and starts pushing the > technology in Australia. Thus creating jobs that will make sure that the > language will survive, and creating a path that others can safely say yes > that technology has a future and I can make a career path out of it. > > The point I am making is not whether I can keep developing in CF, but if the > work grows to include the option of people wanting to learn the product. > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aussie Macromedia Developers: http://lists.daemon.com.au/ To unsubscribe from this email please forward this email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email message is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please forward the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete the original. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. 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