Point taken, and I think that that aspect of the language should live on. But you've got to agree, catering to both audiences certainly makes sense.
Darryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/12/2004 02:37:15 PM: > As a "Web Monkey" and someone who doesn't come from a programming > background (copywriting and graphic design), I am very happy that there > is a language like Coldfusion that is easy to learn, yet powerful enough > to do anything I need it to. I am also very happy I don't have to write > lines of code like foo = (x++ == (row = y * 2)) ? --y + 4 : (x *= 4 == > row ? --row : row++ )); - I think my poor little monkey brain would > explode. > > For me, CF is a very logical language (the first item in an array is > number 1 - well der!) and it is very easy to get started on. I did the > CF of Dummies course, bought a copy of the CF Bible, lurked on this > excellent list and I'm away - very close now to launching my big bright > new CF site. > > For those that say that ColdFusion is ugly and cluttered, I have to > disagree. The structure and the use of clear plain English tags makes it > very easy to go back and see what is going on. That's a good thing. > > If people go changing CF to make it more attractive to lovers of foo = > (x++ == (row = y * 2)) ? --y + 4 : (x *= 4 == row ? --row : row++ )); > then they'll lose people like me. > > While some snobby programmers might think that >= is better than GTE and > not change, there will be plenty of new people like me who will jump on > board because it makes sense. > > Tom MacKean > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam > Cameron > Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 3:05 PM > To: CFAussie Mailing List > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Enhancing CFSCRIPT (was: Using IIF > > > I'd be interested to hear a commercial business argument in favor of > > Rightly or wrongly, I think a lot of developers coming from other > languages take one look @ CF and go "nah: toy", and don't look any > further. And one of the symptoms of this toyishness is going to be when > they see stuff like: > > <cfif i GTE j> > > instead of: > > if (i >= j) > > CF is just plain ugly, and the code looks toyish. > > If CF didn't have that (superficial) effect on people, they might give > it more time, and give it a go, and find out that it *is* a "real" > language, and get into it. > > It's the people at the bottom of the food chain that make the community, > and give a product impetus. More people using something means it's > easier to hire (and replace) people to do it, and simply just hearing > about something more often makes a product seem more appealing, if only > due to familiarity. > > I think in a lot of situations an IT Manager might go "Oooh! Bells! > Whistles! I'll have one of those!", but more often they'll grab demo > copy of it, chuck it to the developers, and ask what they think. And if > they all just snort and go back to hacking PHP, the manager ain't gonna > buy it. > > > getting Macromedia to spend lots of time and effort on bringing > > CFSCRIPT up to ECMAScript compliance as opposed to spending that time > > and effort on adding new functionality to ColdFusion. That's a serious > > > question... > > I have to say that it would be far more important to me to cfscript-ify > more CFML tags than ECMA compliance on operators, to be honest. > > I think CF is trying to move on from positioning itself as "a tool for > web monkeys to pick up more easily", and more into "serious language" > (why would they bother with CFCs otherwise... 95% of CF developers hav > no need for them), and to be a more serious contentder, you've got to > make an effort to appeal to more serious developers. > > > But, really, I'm always just talking personal preference, and don't > think in terms of "business cases"; I think in terms of "what would make > my life easier, and make me happy". 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