While Darren's reply has not yet hit my inbox I did manage to read it below:
Q. Why?
- Because I said so..why you young upstart.. I orta...
Q. Do you have some amazingly compelling reason to consider using crystal?
- My new boss, told me to.
Q. Do you already own the correct license version of crystal that you will need to work with CF?
- Yes, I have CT 1.0 Enterprise + License sitting here on my desk, all purty shiny and new.
Q. Do you already have a large amount of crystal experience to draw on?
- Are you on crack! Sif I'd touch the damn evil product since my logicworld days. Yes, I did play around with it for Walters Construction intranet. It was a day I remember clearly..there I was, working away, and a nice young filly walked past in a poker-dot dress..she was a stunner..and she had the glint in her eye like, "stop PERVING you little geek and figure out how to use Crystal Reports with CF 4.0"... it was love at first sight.
Brief answer: Not a lot, but I'm considered an intelligent guy and know a thing or two about software....considered anyway..actuals..diff story.
Q. I personally can't see any compelling reason that would give you
Returns from using Crystal that would outweigh the economic, effort and pain costs that using it will make you suffer
- That's easily answered. The guy who says yes/no to my pay cheque has a compelling argument as to why I need to buckle down and take a looksie at the product. Sure I could always go screaming back to Gary but we all know I burn bridges so no go there.. hehe nah.. Gary's found much more talented folks neway.
No seriously, the Software is in place for umpting reasons as to why, more to the point its not my place 3rd day in to start dictating reporting tools to the entire IT infrastructure here at Inco Mining, so why don't we acknowledge the fact it's a requirement and if by SOME GOD could someone point me to a URL or something that shows its use in CFMX... or do I have to figure that out myself..
Its not as if I've got enough R&D on my plate... Does anyone have any idea how j2EE patterns realistically translate to CFMX.. my head hurts.
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Regards,
Scott Barnes
Senior Network Engineer
(soon to be Jnr if I don't nutt CT out).
Goro Nickel Project
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 11:52 AM
To: CFAussie Mailing List
Subject: [cfaussie] RE: Crystal Reports War Injuries.
Hi Darren,
It's not quite that hard... hell, even I can do it....
There is no real alternative to Crystal. I guess BusinessObjects
WebIntelligence is close, but it would be overkill.
We use both here, but put to different puposes...
Scott Thornton, Programmer
Application Development
Information Services and Telecommunications
Hunter-New England Area Health Service
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My first question is:
Why?
Do you have some amazingly compeling reason to consider using crystal?
Do
you already own the correct license version of crystal that you will
need to
work with CF? Do you already have a large amount of crystal experience
to
draw on?
My frank and honest opinion of this is that Crystal is a technology
that
Macromedia has forgotten about. It used to work back in the Allaire
days,
but no one at Macromedia ever bothered with it. We tried to use it back
when
I was at Alpha, and we had a Crystal guru on board to help too, and we
just
couldn't get CF to talk to it. It seemed that no-one has actually done
it
for ages, and all sorts of bits are missing from CF that are needed to
make
it work.
We got a few hints and tips from people, but they were really only
suggestions about what people thought might be required, not what they
are
actually using to make it work.
There were a couple of knowledge base articles at MM dealing with this,
and
I think there were some specific hot fixes to resolve some of the
problems.
Another issue is that you can't just hook it up to any version of
crystal.
It will only hook up and be legal with certain, expensive, versions of
crystal. You'll need to talk to your local Crystal rep, and be very
clear
about what you want it to do, and be prepared to get the wrong info a
few
times.
To be perfectly honest, the amount of stuffing around you're going to
have
to do, and the chasing of people that you're going to have to do, I'd
seriously have to wonder whether the Blackstone release was actually
(comparitively) that far off that I wouldn't consider it, or at least
develop under the beta and be prepared to release on an early adopters
deal
from Macromedia.
I personally can't see any compelling reason that would give you
returns
from using Crystal that would outweigh the economic, effort and pain
costs
that using it will make you suffer
Regards
Darren Tracey
Systems Analyst
HR Systems and FastTrack, Web and Integration Services
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m: Suncorp IPC IT048, GPO Box 1453, Brisbane QLD 4000
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 10:02 AM
> To: CFAussie Mailing List
> Subject: [cfaussie] Crystal Reports War Injuries.
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I'm looking into using CFMX & Crystal Reports together, and I've
noticed a
> lot of reading on "It's too hard". Who here uses the products
together and
> can recommend any tips/pointers that may aid me.
>
>
>
> *(Oh, before you ask. yes I know about Blackstone's CFDocument and No
its
> not a solution *yet* I can use - ie alternatives are already known
*FOP*
> etc).
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Barnes
>
> Senior Network Engineer
>
> Goro Nickel Project
>
>
>
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