You have too much time on your hands mate :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/12/2004 04:41:27 PM:
> Sorry, I must apologise to those who don't have the "Scott - > decoding filter on" - commonly referred to IgnorantousFilterous. > > CT = Crystal Reports.. I suffer from dyslexia, so when I refer to CT > I was in my head thinking of Crystal Tech.. umm.. where's that pill.. > Orta = I shall consider. > Filly = a word to describe a classy broad. > Broad = a word to describe a female, but in an old 1920's satire. > Satire = ...dictionary.com is down so I have no idea. > Sif = "As if.." > nah = No thanks. > Folk = Geoff Bowers uses this word to describe people.. so i figure > he's an edumacated man, i'll take the word and run with it too. > Edumacted = educated, only in a silly expressive tone. > 1.0 = 10.0 only missing the much needed 0.. one can imagine the pain > of making Crystal Reports 1.0 work with CFMX..or anything above 16bit. > > Thankyou. > Scott. > (p.s) > Yes i'm avoiding looking at CR by making up an excuse to post here... > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 4:07 PM > To: CFAussie Mailing List > Subject: [cfaussie] RE: Crystal Reports War Injuries. > While Darren's reply has not yet hit my inbox I did manage to read it below: > Q. Why? > - Because I said so..why you young upstart.. I orta... > Q. Do you have some amazingly compelling reason to consider using crystal? > - My new boss, told me to. > Q. Do you already own the correct license version of crystal that > you will need to work with CF? > - Yes, I have CT 1.0 Enterprise + License sitting here on my desk, > all purty shiny and new. > Q. Do you already have a large amount of crystal experience to draw on? > - Are you on crack! Sif I'd touch the damn evil product since my > logicworld days. Yes, I did play around with it for Walters > Construction intranet. It was a day I remember clearly..there I was, > working away, and a nice young filly walked past in a poker-dot > dress..she was a stunner..and she had the glint in her eye like, > "stop PERVING you little geek and figure out how to use Crystal > Reports with CF 4.0"... it was love at first sight. > Brief answer: Not a lot, but I'm considered an intelligent guy and > know a thing or two about software....considered anyway..actuals..diff story. > Q. I personally can't see any compelling reason that would give you > Returns from using Crystal that would outweigh the economic, effort > and pain costs that using it will make you suffer > - That's easily answered. The guy who says yes/no to my pay cheque > has a compelling argument as to why I need to buckle down and take a > looksie at the product. Sure I could always go screaming back to > Gary but we all know I burn bridges so no go there.. hehe nah.. > Gary's found much more talented folks neway. > No seriously, the Software is in place for umpting reasons as to > why, more to the point its not my place 3rd day in to start > dictating reporting tools to the entire IT infrastructure here at > Inco Mining, so why don't we acknowledge the fact it's a requirement > and if by SOME GOD could someone point me to a URL or something that > shows its use in CFMX... or do I have to figure that out myself.. > Its not as if I've got enough R&D on my plate... Does anyone have > any idea how j2EE patterns realistically translate to CFMX.. my head hurts. > > -------------------------------------------------- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > Senior Network Engineer > (soon to be Jnr if I don't nutt CT out). > Goro Nickel Project > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 11:52 AM > To: CFAussie Mailing List > Subject: [cfaussie] RE: Crystal Reports War Injuries. > Hi Darren, > It's not quite that hard... hell, even I can do it.... > There is no real alternative to Crystal. I guess BusinessObjects > WebIntelligence is close, but it would be overkill. > We use both here, but put to different puposes... > > Scott Thornton, Programmer > Application Development > Information Services and Telecommunications > Hunter-New England Area Health Service > Phone JHH +61 2 49214193 RNH +61 2 49236078 > Fax +61 2 49214191 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/12/2004 11:52:39 am >>> > My first question is: > Why? > Do you have some amazingly compeling reason to consider using crystal? > Do > you already own the correct license version of crystal that you will > need to > work with CF? Do you already have a large amount of crystal experience > to > draw on? > My frank and honest opinion of this is that Crystal is a technology > that > Macromedia has forgotten about. It used to work back in the Allaire > days, > but no one at Macromedia ever bothered with it. We tried to use it back > when > I was at Alpha, and we had a Crystal guru on board to help too, and we > just > couldn't get CF to talk to it. It seemed that no-one has actually done > it > for ages, and all sorts of bits are missing from CF that are needed to > make > it work. > We got a few hints and tips from people, but they were really only > suggestions about what people thought might be required, not what they > are > actually using to make it work. > There were a couple of knowledge base articles at MM dealing with this, > and > I think there were some specific hot fixes to resolve some of the > problems. > Another issue is that you can't just hook it up to any version of > crystal. > It will only hook up and be legal with certain, expensive, versions of > crystal. You'll need to talk to your local Crystal rep, and be very > clear > about what you want it to do, and be prepared to get the wrong info a > few > times. > To be perfectly honest, the amount of stuffing around you're going to > have > to do, and the chasing of people that you're going to have to do, I'd > seriously have to wonder whether the Blackstone release was actually > (comparitively) that far off that I wouldn't consider it, or at least > develop under the beta and be prepared to release on an early adopters > deal > from Macromedia. > I personally can't see any compelling reason that would give you > returns > from using Crystal that would outweigh the economic, effort and pain > costs > that using it will make you suffer > Regards > Darren Tracey > Systems Analyst > HR Systems and FastTrack, Web and Integration Services > p: + 61 7 3232 4091 (x64091) > f: + 61 7 3232 4744 > e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > l: Lvl 3, 388 Queen St Brisbane QLD 4000 > m: Suncorp IPC IT048, GPO Box 1453, Brisbane QLD 4000 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 10:02 AM > > To: CFAussie Mailing List > > Subject: [cfaussie] Crystal Reports War Injuries. > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I'm looking into using CFMX & Crystal Reports together, and I've > noticed a > > lot of reading on "It's too hard". Who here uses the products > together and > > can recommend any tips/pointers that may aid me. > > > > > > > > *(Oh, before you ask. yes I know about Blackstone's CFDocument and No > its > > not a solution *yet* I can use - ie alternatives are already known > *FOP* > > etc). > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott Barnes > > > > Senior Network Engineer > > > > Goro Nickel Project > > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aussie Macromedia > Developers: > > http://lists.daemon.com.au/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one > of its related entities ("Suncorp"). > Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or > on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. > The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author > and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. 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