Mark, 
If you are going for a Accessible site then table free is the way of the future. I love the site, but a number of issues I have noticed are.
 
The level one menu items are unscalable,
 
also the contrast in colors are hard to see in the rollover instances in the top menus. and then the writing is a tad light for me, but thats just me, I have needed glasses for a while,
 
If you increase the text size the right hand column text covers the bottom menu links.
 
Commendations on your use of a print style sheet, giving the content in printed form rather than the menus and graphics.
 
Its a pity that contrast and unscalable level one menus are the only issue. you have impressed our standards team who would like to use it as a good example of a accessible site.

Regards.
Tiffany Palermo.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tom MacKean
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 1:11 PM
To: CFAussie Mailing List
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: [best practice or your practice] CSS vs. Tables

Mark,
 
One of the leading css proponents, Jeffrey Zelman, says that it's OK to do forms in tables. In a way it is tabular data that you are laying out. The nice thing is the combination of tables and CSS. i.e. set up a basic table, give it an id, create your form and style it using a style sheet.
 
Chad, CSS is great and once you grok it you won't go back, but don't listen to those nazis who say that all tables are evil. If it makes life easy and doesn't bloat the code too much, do whatever.
 
Tom MacKean
Who has just finished a completely table-free and hack-free site at www.sydneyivf.com


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 11:24 AM
To: CFAussie Mailing List
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: [best practice or your practice] CSS vs. Tables

It took me a while to get my head around xhtml / CSS based designs - but now that I have, I don't think I could go back to designing sites with tables - it just feels wrong.

I definatley like the idea of removing display information from document markup - it makes alot of sense for me.

The only place I get a little frustrated is in doing forms - as doing XHTML forms I find to be a bit of a pain in the rear due to cross browser issues.  Sometimes I just want to use a table when doing forms.

But I say just in and try it out!

Mark
Who feels very left out because he doesn't have a witty quote under his name

On 5/13/05, Chad Renando <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Yeah, I've read all the schpeels on how doing a site in Layers is so
much better than Tables.

Do you guys deal strictly in layers,or lay out in tables?  And how
does the mantra of "Tables Are Bad / Layers Are Cool" fit into the
world of web application development?

Cheers,

Chad
who used to have a haircut that used layers





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