While the petmarket is an example application, I don't think it is very
reflective of what the average CFer is building. I would think that
brochure style site or an interactive forms application is significantly
more common. However, I can't be sure, which is why I suggested we come
up with our own requirements.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Mike Nimer
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:54 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [CFCDev] bakeoff
> 
> Why not use the same app the vendors use. Everyone can build their own
> version of petmarket.
> 
> ---nimer
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:29 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [CFCDev] bakeoff
> 
> I don't think it is possible to mitigate this variation. All this
> bakeoff would do is provide metrics for comparison. Each metric would
> have a different level of importance to each person evaluating the
> bakeoff. Further, I would suspect that once the results of the bakeoff
> are in, others would attempt to recreate the results producing more
> data.
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> 888-408-0900 x901
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > Of Sean A Corfield
> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:32 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [CFCDev] bakeoff
> >
> > On Saturday, Mar 29, 2003, at 20:50 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
> > > The idea would be to take one set of application requirements and
> then
> > > build an application using each of these techniques. Metrics like
> time
> > > taken to develop, lines of code, performance, etc could all be
> captured
> > > for each. Obviously, developing all of these applications would
take
> a
> > > considerable amount of time. However, if many people were
interested
> we
> > > could each take one technique each and then share our results.
> >
> > I agree that it would be interesting to do this but I can see a flaw
> in
> > the process: different CFers take different amounts of time to solve
> > the same problem, even using the same approach, and we'd also likely
> > get code that performed wildly differently.
> >
> > Of course, this is true, generally, across IT and not limited to
CFers
> > - someone with twenty years software engineering, a CS degree and
who
> > is fluent in half a dozen languages is going to produce radically
> > different results to a self-taught programmer who has used mainly
one
> > language for even half a dozen years.
> >
> > How do you suggest mitigating that variation?
> >
> > Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
> >
> > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> > -- Margaret Atwood
> >
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