Don't learn Java or JSP/Servlet with Struts. Struts is hard enough to get ahold of, let alone without having a familiarlity with Java. At the very least, build a couple JSP/Servlet apps first without a framework just to get a feel for how the pieces all fit together. Then you can hand off all that boring stuff to Struts and concentrate on the good stuff (business logic and presentation).
Cheers, barneyb > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Don , > CTR , WHS/HRD > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:15 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [CFCDev] Mach-ii vs. Struts > > Here's my difficult position. I don't know Java well, but am > moving into a > Project Management role. I want to convince others to learn > Java and hoped > to do it with a CF/Struts framework. Everyone I spoke to > said Struts is too > much overhead for an application. > > Anyone use struts as a learn on the job java educational tool? > > Thanks, > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CFCDev] Mach-ii vs. Struts > > > Please forgive me, when I was thinking of combining the 2 I meant > combining CF and Struts. > > Good points. Personally, I would stay in CF rather than Java. > > Doug > > Sean A Corfield wrote: > > > On Jun 10, 2004, at 11:50 AM, Doug James wrote: > > > >> Combine the 2: > >> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/struts.html > > > > > > Struts is a controller and so is Mach II so you can't really combine > > them. You can implement Struts (in Java) and use CF views (which is > > what the article shows). The article talks about using CFCs for the > > model too but doesn't show how that would work (I can see how you > > could call CFCs from CF views but not from JSP views or even from > > Struts itself). > > > >> Battershall, Jeff wrote: > >> > >>> I'm interested in anyone's opinions regarding going the Struts > >>> route, with all that implies, vs. the CF Route, using > Mach-ii as a > >>> framework. > >> > > > > Struts is quite a bit of machinery although it does have some cool > > stuff in it but you'll need to write Java, potentially > quite a bit of > > Java. Mach II is a much simpler way to implement MVC purely in CF. > > Your choice is really going to come down to whether you're happy > > writing in Java or whether you'd rather stick to CF. > Personally I feel > > Struts is overkill for most of the stuff folks are building > in terms > > of simple web apps (and some people think Mach II is overkill too, > > even tho' it is much smaller and simpler!). > > > > Do you have some more specific questions about the frameworks / > > approaches? > > > > Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ > > > > Got Mach II? -- http://www.mach-ii.com/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > You are subscribed to cfcdev. To unsubscribe, send an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words 'unsubscribe cfcdev' in the > > message of the email. > > > > CFCDev is run by CFCZone (www.cfczone.org) and supported > > by Mindtool, Corporation (www.mindtool.com). > > > > An archive of the CFCDev list is available at > > www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > You are subscribed to cfcdev. To unsubscribe, send an email > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words 'unsubscribe cfcdev' > in the message of the email. > > CFCDev is run by CFCZone (www.cfczone.org) and supported > by Mindtool, Corporation (www.mindtool.com). > > An archive of the CFCDev list is available at > www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ---------------------------------------------------------- > You are subscribed to cfcdev. To unsubscribe, send an email > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words 'unsubscribe cfcdev' > in the message of the email. > > CFCDev is run by CFCZone (www.cfczone.org) and supported > by Mindtool, Corporation (www.mindtool.com). > > An archive of the CFCDev list is available at > www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ---------------------------------------------------------- You are subscribed to cfcdev. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words 'unsubscribe cfcdev' in the message of the email. CFCDev is run by CFCZone (www.cfczone.org) and supported by Mindtool, Corporation (www.mindtool.com). An archive of the CFCDev list is available at www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
