Yeah, sorry, I've been on this list for about a year now, but rarely post.
We have a development team of 5 people who are all at the midlevel range
with cf, few more than 5 years experience.  I have about 8 years CF
experience and am a Macromedia CF Trainer and co-author of an old book and
MM classes.

We have an internal structure we use, but the problem I have with it is:
A) people don't follow it closely and they think Fusebox offers them more
than I do because they don't think things through
B) there are no third party materials, if someone doesn't understand then
they need to come back to me

The third-party structure or methodology works because it's a big stick, not
associated with me.  

So I definitely look at Mac II as lateral movement for my team and Struts as
forward movement, but for what we do currently Mach II is enough.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [CFCDev] Mach-ii vs. Struts


At 04:14 PM 6/10/2004, you wrote:
>Here's my difficult position.  I don't know Java well, but am moving 
>into a Project Management role.  I want to convince others to learn 
>Java and hoped to do it with a CF/Struts framework.  Everyone I spoke 
>to said Struts is too much overhead for an application.
>
>Anyone use struts as a learn on the job java educational tool?

A lot depends on your developers' backgrounds. Are they coming from C++, or
another "major" language, or are they getting their feet wet?

Going the CF route provides 2 advantages:

1) You can get up and running, FAST. You can have enterprise level
applications up in a fraction of the time it would take writing Java
servlets.
2) Since CF is built on Java, it allows plenty of access to Java and its
offerings from within CF.

You get the best of both worlds with CF - easy and ROI today with the option
to dig deeper when the project timetable allows for it.


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