> u must mean abstraction? Hehe Oopsie, 'tis late. ;)
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Van Der Hulst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CFCDev] CRUD and Hibernate >I like CF due to its simplicity and obfuscation u must mean abstraction? hehe yeah i start to wonder why I should be needing to wrap java code sometimes but hey thats the beauty of coldfusion and when you want to start doing funky things not well supported by coldfusion then sometimes you gotta do it. Another example, I could spend money buying the alagad coldfusion image component but then again i could just wrap the J2EE imageUtils library.. and I did thanks to a coldfusion article on macromedia site, took minimal time at all. Nice learning experience at the time ;) Of course you could argue they should have their own image tag for goodness sake or license that one but hey you could argue alot of things eh. I'm currently looking at RSS and html parser libraries in java (home project). Nothing can't do in coldfusion just want to know there isn't already something wicked out there for it already, hehe. TiM -----Original Message----- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 4:11 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CFCDev] CRUD and Hibernate I hear ya, I wasn't actually including time spent on UI, just server-side. I like CF due to its simplicity and obfuscation. As soon as I see that I need to potentially start "wrapping" a lot of things...I start to consider whether I'm using the right tool for the job. I'll probably just end up building a little utility that mimics the function of entity beans a wee bit. Basically point to a database and generate all the DAO cfcs. Next step would be to analyze the relationships and have that reflected in the generated code as well. -Stace -----Original Message----- From: Tim Van Der Hulst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CFCDev] CRUD and Hibernate yeah link was more just reference to another DAO implementation than an actual suggestion to use it. I've been doing some JSP development for our Internet hence the need for it.. I used to spend about 30% of my time writing SQL but now i'd say its closer to 10%. Likewise I spend at least 30-40% of my time on the UI. I really want to get that down to 10-15% but I fair that won't happen for a very long time. TiM -----Original Message----- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 3:57 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CFCDev] CRUD and Hibernate > 75% man thats killer, what kinds of stuff are you creating?? Well once all the standard machinery is in place the actual biz logic is not usually all that much. (w/ regards to coding time, design and planning aside) Thanks for the link but I'd rather go straight CF for the solution...otherwise I might as well implement in Java completely. (ack!) There was talk about some cf solution a ways back but didn't hear much since. Guess I'll have to reserve myself a weekend and bang somethin' out! -S -----Original Message----- From: Tim Van Der Hulst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CFCDev] CRUD and Hibernate Hey Stace, 75% man thats killer, what kinds of stuff are you creating?? hmm heres a simple table based DAO API for java. http://www.javaranch.com/jenny.jsp you basically run it over your database and it creates classes for each table, same sorta thing as hibernate. Sounds simple enough, no idea if you could write a CFC layer for it or not tho, hehe. TiM -----Original Message----- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 3:34 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CFCDev] CRUD and Hibernate Seems like 75% of my time is tied up building the data access layer. It's quite annoying seeing as it's certainly not rocket science from one app to another. Anyone poked around and creating semi-automated tools for this? (perhaps a la Hibernate in Java world?) Cheers, Stace <table width=800 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=10 border=0><tr bgcolor=BDBDBD><td valign=top width=400><font face=verdana size=2 color=FFFFFF><b>AVIS IMPORTANT</b></font></td><td valign=top width=400><font face=verdana size=2 color=FFFFFF><b>WARNING</b></font></td></tr><tr><td valign=top width=400><p align=justify><font face=verdana size=1 color=808080> Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. 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