So..
Let me get this right, there is talk of using RoR concept for CFMX, a language well known for its simplicity?
I've watched RoR, I've even played with it, and the only thing i can see benefits for its well... shorter typing? (i'm also slightly nervous by examples like the blog one where it has direct access to db without any buffer between).
I dunno, maybe i too am in the field of "i don't get it RoR at all" but it just seems like we are expecting frameworks to think for us now aswell as provide short cuts to our trivial workloads.
Call me old fashion but if you need to shorten CFML down even further, then why not revert back to a CFTAG solution thats got your own vocab?
On 9/28/05, Marlon Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John,
The feeling that I get from this discussion is that most participants
don't know anything more about the framework other than the name.
They're offering some educated guesses about what RoR might be, but I
don't get the feeling that they've ever used it.
I would suggest that the first step everyone interested should take is
to install Ruby and Rails and go through these tutorials:
Rolling with Rails:
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/01/20/rails.html
4 Days on rails:
http://rails.homelinux.org/
After these tutorials, I think everyone would have a better grasp of
what Rails is.
On 9/27/05, John Farrar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
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> On 9/25/05, John Farrar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, that sounds like an interesting implementation. One of the Rails
> rants
> > is to not put config files as such into XML.
>
> That's true, but misses have the point -- the config files that Rails
> uses are written using YAML instead of XML. For most configuration
> purposes, they are pretty equivalent except YAML requires a lot less
> typing :)
>
> JOHN:
> So it's less automated scripting created by the generator? Do I understand
> that? Somehow the less typing, and the lower portability seem to be the
> questions that would generate in my mind.
>
> The cool about RoR is it does so much. Duplicating RoR tit for tat would be
> contrary to the development principles of the creators of RoR. I would like
> to see the good benefits built one at a time and the more we get built and
> the more portable it is the more everyone benefits. The big brain freeze in
> the CF community seems to be build it all or nothing. That is crazy!
>
> I would still like to see some work go in that direction. Until there is a
> community effort my personal journey is already under way. Perhaps things
> like YAML are better than doing XML in CF. Yet, CF is a marketed product and
> definitely not open source. That in some ways is one of the down sides of CF
> from an honest take. If we all forked out the bucks for enterprise then we
> could build some universal Java tool that achieved YAML like functionality
> that gave us less typing.
>
> I am working on some simple "metaBeans" that use an XML configuration to get
> some of those things accomplished for CF development. There are 101 ways to
> do things that range from wrong way to best way for this situation. My
> project won't be the ultimate only way to do things. Yet, it sure beats
> waiting for a group of guys to jump in and build CFoR in complete form or do
> nothing.
>
> Therefore, this is just an open offer for anyone who is interested to join
> in. I am not going to beat the drum for help, that just wears out the
> drummer and wastes time on promotion that can go into building a project! In
> fact my beans are under way, and showing off the basic concept as part of
> our MUG meeting tonight.
>
> Thanks for the insight, it's appreciated. Sometimes I may take a couple of
> rounds to see things that are obvious... so please come around again if you
> see I missed something from your perspective.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Farrar
> SOSensible
>
>
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