Well, i systematically deleted all messages for the last few days, so i 
kinda agree with Hal. I don't want to wade through all these irrelevant 
arguments about paychecks, politics, ...  just to see who has the biggest 
in the end.

You can call it discussion and debate, but discussion and debate should 
lead to something, in this mailinglist, preferrably to a 'aha-erlebnis', 
and not to 'why am i reading this'.

Somebody please wake me when the storm has passed.



On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Hal Helms wrote:

> How easy it is to justify bad behavior. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of John Paul Ashenfelter
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:25 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [CFCDev] Witnessed the power of CF
> 
> On 11/9/05, Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Have some people gone off their meds in the last week? First the 
> > cfsqltool guy gets beat up, then we have to have a lengthy discussion 
> > about credit and running a business, and now we have to rehash for the 
> > umpteenth time whether CF is easier/better than language X? FWIW, this 
> > is not my idea of fun, nor is it helpful.
> 
> Discussion and debate are healthy -- and ocassionally something gets learned
> by one of the parties or the reader(s). Considering that every conversation
> on this list ends up in Google/Y!/MSN/etc, continuing a discussion can serve
> to show someone coming into the debate from another method (eg a Google
> search) that there *IS* some debate about a particular point.
> 
> As a specific instance, I've had CFSQLTool on my evaluate list for a while
> now. Based on the discussion so far, I've saved the time of digging through
> the code and can safely move on -- the time spent reading that argument
> saved me some time reevaluating something that it looks like I don't need.
> That's a plus for me, so I'm happy about the exchange.
> 
> Sean's discussion was quite justified considering how many times he was
> slammed for being a MM/Adobe employee. And when someone makes claims you
> find ridiculous, engaging in a dialog is healthy. You'll notice that while
> Jim and I are disagreeing, I don't think either one of us has been uncivil.
> 
> And it's simple enough to filter out what email you don't want to read. Or
> let Mr. Dinowitz move it along.
> --
> John Paul Ashenfelter
> CTO/Transitionpoint
> (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com
> (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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