>> Bottom line in my mind is that if I worked for an employer who didn't
see training as a good thing, I'd find a new employer.


ahhh... the question whether the employer has an active HR policy to
professional development.

if the boss wants to keep their employees then they'll hopefully be
willing to keep the employees skills current (eg learning frameworks).
if they're smart they'll see this as a value-add with improving the
products made (and not just keeping the employees happy and wanted).

here in Australia, employers are required to spend money on PD.
Unfortunately, because of the lack of unionised "teeth" (especially in
IT) in some cases this is paid  lip service and the boss blows the
budget on him/herself's own PD (like sending themselves off to
MXDU...).

this is precisely the reason ( well, one of many...) I reciently
jumped ship from my former employer. 40 hr/week dedicated just to
coding and no pause breath, let alone thinking of the future...

if they cannot see the value in supporting my long term interest in
the company ... then I indeed have no interest!


On 17/01/06, Sean Stickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This makes  the assumption that you are the constraint in a production
> system.
>
> If you are not the constraint in the system, then spending additional
> money on top of your salary is probably not justified. Better to take
> the four weeks and learn Mach-II on your own.
>
> You can't just take the hourly rate, multiply it by some hours and say
> that that's the amount saved. Unless the company pays you less if you
> get something done quicker (or unless you are the system constraint),
> there is no real company savings.
>
> If you *are* the system constraint, however, and training would make you
> more productive faster, then it might be a fine investment.
>
> The idea that there is some sort of absolute savings because you took
> less time to learn something is flawed. It assumes a local optimization,
> whereas global system optimization is what is really sought.
>
> --Sean Stickle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Sean Corfield
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:55 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [CFCDev] Free vs. Paid Training for CF frameworks WAS State
> of Coldfusion UI Development
>
> On 1/15/06, Nando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Would you like to learn Mach-II much more efficiently and easily,
> > from the guy who created it?"
>
> Hal and Ben do a great four day training course that is well worth the
> $2,500 (approx) that it costs.
>
> Suppose you'd struggle for four or five weeks to figure out Mach II...
> suppose the course gets you there in just that four days. You'd just
> saved yourself three or four weeks of struggling (over $6,000 in
> productive income @ $50/hr) for less than half that in cost. Sounds like
> value to me. That's how you sell a training budget to your manager...
> --
> Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/
> Got frameworks?
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
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