I have another question:
I have a companyIBO and an employeeIBO. Now I physically store the companyID
in the employeeID table of the database.  In an effort to minimize thinking
about the database from an OO perspective how would I store the relation
from the employeeIBO?  I understand the company object would have an
employee property that holds the employeeIBO(1..*), but the other direction?

Would I just make the "companyID" a property of the employeeIBO?
or
Would I make a "company" property that holds the companyIBO in the employee
object?

My guess would be to give the "employee" object a "company" property that
holds the companyIBO in it. I could also be overthinking this way too much
and be way off ;)

Hope this makes sense!

Thanks,

Jon

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:02 AM, John Whish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Thanks everyone,
>
> I like the idea of using an IBO as this does bypass the expense of creating
> a potential huge array of 'employees' in my 'company' object. I've heard
> that transfer can do this for but I like to really understand how things
> work and why I should do it that way. Once I get it, I'll use Transfer or
> even hibernate to do it for me.
>
> - John
>
> 2008/9/30 Peter Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> @Jon,
>> You don't have to, but personally I take the position that an IBO is a
>> collection of 0..* objects and that a single business object is simply a
>> collection where n=1. The key for me is that if I have a custom getter like
>> User.getAge(), I might want to display the age of either a single user or of
>> a list of users and I don't want to repeat myself, so the same code needs to
>> be available for both a single business object or a collection of them. My
>> simple work around is just to use business objects that extend a BaseIBO for
>> both my single instances and my collections. I wouldn't say it is incredibly
>> elegant conceptually, but I haven't come across and practical problems
>> working this way in over 80 projects - they are clean, quick to build and
>> easy to maintain - even with lots of client back and forth, so it's working
>> for me.
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Jon wrote:
>>
>> I am also in the exact same boat as John is when it comes to OO and DB
>> layout.
>> I like the idea of an IBO to house my 1...* relationships, but would you
>> use the IBO in place of a bean for single instances?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Brian Kotek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> You can also look at something like Transfer, which manages these kinds
>>> of relationships for you and caches the CFC instances to mostly remove the
>>> performance hit caused by creating lots of instances on each request.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:51 AM, John Whish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Coming from a database orientated background I've always thought of
>>>> relationships between two objects in the same way. If I have a company
>>>> object and an employee object then the employee object would hold a
>>>> reference to the company object. Recently I wanted to get a list of
>>>> employees for the company and it got me thinking that instead of looking up
>>>> to the database, maybe I should be holding an array of employees in the
>>>> company object. This has some advantages, but seems like a bad idea. Has
>>>> anyone actually done it like this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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