Hi See below.
On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 09:14 -0500, P Kishor wrote: > Very good points Michael. My response to some of them below -- > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Michael Peters <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 09/18/2009 09:33 AM, P Kishor wrote: > >> > >> But, now that we are done > >> comparing our overweight weight to a morbidly obese weight, how about > >> CGI::App on its own? To my completely uninformed mind, loading 40,000+ > >> lines to create a small web page sounds like a lot... and, that > >> doesn't even include the web server and the Perl interpreter! > > > > But that's not what you tested. You tested Titanium which is not CGI::App. > > It's an opinionated framework based on CGI::App and it's plugins. If you > > just want to create something that makes "small web pages" then just load > > CGI::App and it's dependencies. > > Actually, I did not test Titanium (I only invoked it as an example). I > tested my own application that is cobbled together with the various > bits and bobs of CGI::App and various plugins. > > > > > > Also, let's look at those numbers: > > > > DBI - 7824 > > CGI::Simple - 3900 > > > > That's 1/4 of all those lines just right there. And if you're going to use a > > database you need DBI. And if you're going to make a web app you need a CGI > > interface module (like CGI.pm or CGI::Simple) so I don't see a way to remove > > those. > > > > I guess that is what I was trying to get at... one of the things that > many Perl modules (and CGI::App as well) make a big deal about is how > simple scripts are once you use those modules... for example, the oft > quoted example of WebApp.pm and instance script being only a couple of > lines. Well, in reality, all the plumbing is still there, just under a > carpet. But it's /meant/ to be under the hood. That's the point of using CGI::App. You don't need to look under the hood, but you can if you wish. > > Also, you're counting just raw lines which means you're counting comments > > and whitespace (which penalizes modules which are well commented). I'm not > > saying your criticism isn't valid, I'm just saying that your data is too > > flawed to support that criticism :) > > > Yes, my data are too flawed, but the criticism is still valid. But, > instead of kvetching in the wind, I will actually try an experiment. I > will remove all the comments from the modules that I am using (call But you don't have to remove the comments. See for example the program below. Even thinking of removing comments implies your other comments are equally dubious. > them the "production versions," analogous to the packed/minified > Javascript packages floating around), and even try to squish them into > one file. I am curious as to what I end up with. > > Nevertheless, thanks for indulging with me in this argument. Your > points are very valid. > #!/usr/bin/perl # # Name: # count.code.pl. use strict; use warnings; use File::Find; my($count); # -------------------------------------------------------------- sub found { return if (-d $_ || ! -T $_); open(INX, $_) || die("Can't open($_): $!"); my(@line) = grep{! /^$/ && ! /^[#{}]/} map{s/^\s+//; s/\s+$//; $_;} <INX>; close(INX); $count += $#line + 1; } # -------------------------------------------------------------- $count = 0; my($dir) = shift || "Usage: $0 <dir.name>"; find(\&found, $dir); print "Line count: $count. \n"; > > > > > -- > > Michael Peters > > Plus Three, LP > > > > ##### CGI::Application community mailing list ################ > > ## ## > > ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## > > ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp ## > > ## ## > > ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## > > ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## > > ## ## > > ################################################################ > > > > > > > > -- > Puneet Kishor http://www.punkish.org > Carbon Model http://carbonmodel.org > Charter Member, Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org > Science Commons Fellow, http://sciencecommons.org/about/whoweare/kishor > Nelson Institute, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Assertions are politics; backing up assertions with evidence is science > ======================================================================= > Sent from Madison, WI, United States > > ##### CGI::Application community mailing list ################ > ## ## > ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## > ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp ## > ## ## > ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## > ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## > ## ## > ################################################################ > > -- Ron Savage [email protected] http://savage.net.au/index.html ##### CGI::Application community mailing list ################ ## ## ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp ## ## ## ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ## ## ################################################################
