[chaos706:409] Re: Geeks: Need a job?

Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:30:25 -0700

Ditto here.  Besides my first real job where I was hired through the company direct, I have always gone through recruiting firms.  Much easier...

Wondering though... In Columbus, how's the job market for technical people?  Do recruiters call much for jobs there or do you have to go directly to the BIG TWO?


On 10/17/06, 0x0000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



--- John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've noticed the appearances thing myself.  Usually the person hiring
> you has no idea what you will be doing once in.  The first step
> always involves some sort of show.  Usually your second interview or
> so is the real one with the technical people, allowing you to let
> loose a little more.  It's a shame that with a company of any size
> that they basically have to remove a lot of static before you get a
> real interview.  When there are 1,000 people applying for the same
> job, the recruiter or hiring manager is the buffer and
> has to pick only about 20 or so people to send to the engineers to
> interview.  With this shear volume, their evaulutions will surely be
> really shallow.

Agreed.  Corporations of any real size (1000 employees or more) seem to
have real problems getting good technical people for these reasons.
Many of the best companies to work for tend to be small ones, where you
are interviewing with the principles of the company, in my experience.
Dealing with flunkies and functionaries is typically counter-productive
- I have, for instance, never been hired through an HR department,
leading me to believe that HR's job is to to employ people, but to find
creative excuses for not hiring...

> I always like going through external recruiters to get into a company
> because you usually bypass the shallow proxy that the company has put
> in place.  The recruiter has an incentive to get you directly to the
> person hiring you bypassing all the BS.

Yes - that's why I continue to work as a contractor or consultant - no
amount of technical skill can get you past the HR people, who are
typically just afraid of you and want you to go away and leave them
alone (esp geeks).  The recruiters try to maintain contacts with the
managers who actually need skilled personnel to perform specific tasks
and who have the authority to tell the flunkies "hire this person."

It goes to something I read in the old Columbus Ledger years ago:
Always talk to the person with hiring authority - HR-types typically
don't have that authority - they only have the authority to NOT hire.

Note that the recruiter for Google was a (I believe) a Google direct
employee - meaning they call their HR poeple "recruiters" - a bad sign
from the beginning, that turned out pretty much as expected.



0x0000


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