Is it worth engaging idiots commenting moronically about any topic?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Dan Bron <[email protected]> wrote:

> In such endlessly repeated scenes, it's not worth working yourself up.  In
> fact, it's sometimes not even worth coming up with new ways of responding.
> Why bother? Often it's best to simply defer to the luminaries of history
> who have commented on this topic (nobody wants to fight you when you're
> standing on the shoulders of giants).  For example:
>
>         "There are two methods in software design. One is to make the
>         program so simple, there are obviously no errors. The other is to
>         make it so complicated, there are no obvious errors."
>
>         -- C.A.R. Hoare, founder in the field of computer program
>         correctness and reliability, and laureate of computer science's
>         highest award (the Turing award)
>
>         "Only short programs have any hope of being correct."
>
>         -- Arthur Whitney, computer scientist & inventor of the
>         array-language K, which all of Wall St uses to predict markets
>
>         "The fewer moving parts, the better"
>
>         -- Every engineer of every discipline throughout time, ever
>         (ok, fine: every engineer whose first attempt didn't kill him)
>
> But, you know, it's hard to get someone to change his mind, and maybe some
> would find the preceding unconvincing.  I mean sure, some guy who got rich
> creating an array programming language and a weirdo obsessed with the
> reliability of computer systems support the concept of short, clear
> programs.  But that's just 2 guys and the entire enterprise of human
> engineering throughout time. That doesn't tell us anything.  Can't we dig
> deeper, get to the bottom of things?  Surely there's no philosophical
> reason we should prefer simplicity?
>
>         "Let thy speech be short, comprehending much in a few words."
>         -- The bible (Ecclesiasticus, which, ironically, the
>         Protestants cut out)
>
>         "It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what other men say
>         in whole books - what other men do not say in whole books."
>
>         -- from the other end of the spectrum, Friedrich "God is dead"
>         Nietzsche (demonstrating this is not a particularly localized
>         sentiment)
>
>         "It is with words as with sunbeams. The more they are
>         condensed, the deeper they burn."
>
>         -- Robert Southey, Poet Laureate of the British empire
>
>         "Brevity is the soul of wit"
>
>         -- William Shakespeare, another English guy (note, here "wit"
>         meant "wisdom", not "humor")
>
> Ah, but perhaps we've strayed too far from software engineering; after
> all, plays and poems are very different things from programs, aren't they?
> Well, let's see if we can find a bridge from the wisdom of the Bard to
> modern computer programming.
>
>         "Language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a
>         medium for the expression of thought"
>
>         -- George Boole, guy who invented zeros and ones.
>
> Not bad. The very founder of computer science talking about reasoning with
> language. Still, not much in there about being concise, only expressive.
>  Let's see if we can do better.
>
>         "By relieving the brain of all unnecessary work, a good
>         notation sets it free to concentrate on more advanced problems,
> and in
>         effect increases the mental power of the race."
>
>         -- A.N. Whitehead; bah, a mathematician.
>
>         "The quantity of meaning compressed into small space by
>         algebraic signs, is another circumstance that facilitates the
> reasonings
>         we are accustomed to carry on by their aid."
>
>         -- Charles Babbage; that's better, the guy who built the
>         world's first computer.
>
> Still though, Babbage built his computer before there was even
> electricity.  Can't we get a little more modern, a little more relevant to
> practical software design?  Ok, let's turn the clock forward, but continue
> with the theme of using language to express ourselves briefly and clearly:
>
>         "Programming languages, because they were designed for the
>         purpose of directing computers, offer important advantages as tools
>         of thought. However, most programming languages are decidedly
>         inferior and are little used as tools of thought in ways that would
>         be considered significant.
>
>         [In contrast] APL is a general purpose language which
>         originated in an attempt to provide clear and precise expression in
>         writing and teaching, and which was implemented as a programming
>         language only after several years of use and development."
>
> Unfortunately, I've lost the reference for this one (I know the guy has
> something in common with the first person I quoted, Hoare).  Maybe you
> could ask your commentor friend to look it up.
>
> -Dan
>
> PS:  The real irony is, your friend doesn't even seem to recognize the
> value of /being able to quote the entire program/ he's complaining about!
>  Try that with Java!  You're going to need a bigger comment box.
>
>
>
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