Very few of us are farmers, nowadays.

And, on a different note, has anyone been working with html5 features?
(Especially: the ability to work with files, and/or work with webgl
shaders?)

Thanks,

-- 
Raul


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Dan Bron <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sometimes, when they're carrying pitchforks.
>
> -Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Baker
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:12 AM
> To: Chat forum
> Subject: Re: [Jchat] <small rant> Is it worth it to engage idiots over
> moronic comments about array languages?
>
> Is it worth engaging idiots commenting moronically about any topic?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Dan Bron <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In such endlessly repeated scenes, it's not worth working yourself up.
>> In fact, it's sometimes not even worth coming up with new ways of
> responding.
>> Why bother? Often it's best to simply defer to the luminaries of
>> history who have commented on this topic (nobody wants to fight you
>> when you're standing on the shoulders of giants).  For example:
>>
>>         "There are two methods in software design. One is to make the
>>         program so simple, there are obviously no errors. The other is to
>>         make it so complicated, there are no obvious errors."
>>
>>         -- C.A.R. Hoare, founder in the field of computer program
>>         correctness and reliability, and laureate of computer science's
>>         highest award (the Turing award)
>>
>>         "Only short programs have any hope of being correct."
>>
>>         -- Arthur Whitney, computer scientist & inventor of the
>>         array-language K, which all of Wall St uses to predict markets
>>
>>         "The fewer moving parts, the better"
>>
>>         -- Every engineer of every discipline throughout time, ever
>>         (ok, fine: every engineer whose first attempt didn't kill him)
>>
>> But, you know, it's hard to get someone to change his mind, and maybe
>> some would find the preceding unconvincing.  I mean sure, some guy who
>> got rich creating an array programming language and a weirdo obsessed
>> with the reliability of computer systems support the concept of short,
>> clear programs.  But that's just 2 guys and the entire enterprise of
>> human engineering throughout time. That doesn't tell us anything.
>> Can't we dig deeper, get to the bottom of things?  Surely there's no
>> philosophical reason we should prefer simplicity?
>>
>>         "Let thy speech be short, comprehending much in a few words."
>>         -- The bible (Ecclesiasticus, which, ironically, the
>>         Protestants cut out)
>>
>>         "It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what other men say
>>         in whole books - what other men do not say in whole books."
>>
>>         -- from the other end of the spectrum, Friedrich "God is dead"
>>         Nietzsche (demonstrating this is not a particularly localized
>>         sentiment)
>>
>>         "It is with words as with sunbeams. The more they are
>>         condensed, the deeper they burn."
>>
>>         -- Robert Southey, Poet Laureate of the British empire
>>
>>         "Brevity is the soul of wit"
>>
>>         -- William Shakespeare, another English guy (note, here "wit"
>>         meant "wisdom", not "humor")
>>
>> Ah, but perhaps we've strayed too far from software engineering; after
>> all, plays and poems are very different things from programs, aren't they?
>> Well, let's see if we can find a bridge from the wisdom of the Bard to
>> modern computer programming.
>>
>>         "Language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a
>>         medium for the expression of thought"
>>
>>         -- George Boole, guy who invented zeros and ones.
>>
>> Not bad. The very founder of computer science talking about reasoning
>> with language. Still, not much in there about being concise, only
> expressive.
>>  Let's see if we can do better.
>>
>>         "By relieving the brain of all unnecessary work, a good
>>         notation sets it free to concentrate on more advanced
>> problems, and in
>>         effect increases the mental power of the race."
>>
>>         -- A.N. Whitehead; bah, a mathematician.
>>
>>         "The quantity of meaning compressed into small space by
>>         algebraic signs, is another circumstance that facilitates the
>> reasonings
>>         we are accustomed to carry on by their aid."
>>
>>         -- Charles Babbage; that's better, the guy who built the
>>         world's first computer.
>>
>> Still though, Babbage built his computer before there was even
>> electricity.  Can't we get a little more modern, a little more
>> relevant to practical software design?  Ok, let's turn the clock
>> forward, but continue with the theme of using language to express
> ourselves briefly and clearly:
>>
>>         "Programming languages, because they were designed for the
>>         purpose of directing computers, offer important advantages as
> tools
>>         of thought. However, most programming languages are decidedly
>>         inferior and are little used as tools of thought in ways that
> would
>>         be considered significant.
>>
>>         [In contrast] APL is a general purpose language which
>>         originated in an attempt to provide clear and precise expression
> in
>>         writing and teaching, and which was implemented as a programming
>>         language only after several years of use and development."
>>
>> Unfortunately, I've lost the reference for this one (I know the guy
>> has something in common with the first person I quoted, Hoare).  Maybe
>> you could ask your commentor friend to look it up.
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> PS:  The real irony is, your friend doesn't even seem to recognize the
>> value of /being able to quote the entire program/ he's complaining about!
>>  Try that with Java!  You're going to need a bigger comment box.
>>
>>
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