Aren't they call "managers"? On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:56 AM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sadly, expecting people to understand a language without actually > using it leads to all sorts of failure modes - where people claim to > understand the language but have no actual experience with it. > > Thanks, > > -- > Raul > > > > On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 6:54 AM, Erling Hellenäs > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think you normally expect text, including manuals, to be readable. If > it > > is you don't have to do experiments at the terminal to understand the > text. > > /Erling > > > > > > On 2017-12-15 04:37, Don Guinn wrote: > >> > >> How many hours did I spend reading the Dictionary while sitting on the > >> toilet? > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Jose Mario Quintana < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> :D > >>> > >>> I probably understood half of the entry descriptions I read originally > >>> because I have a very short attention span, I moved on and jumped > >>> frequently to the examples which helped me a lot in conjunction with > some > >>> experimentation with the interpreter, which is ultimately the one that > >>> matters (to me) because is the one that produces results. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:35 AM, Erling Hellenäs > >>> <[email protected] > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> For me manuals have always been the first resort. When you read it you > >>>> know more than anyone else about the language, because noone else read > >>>> it > >>>> :) The only exception is the J manual, which I find totally > unreadable. > >>>> /Erling > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Den 2017-12-13 kl. 23:46, skrev Jose Mario Quintana: > >>>> > >>>>> I am surprised how many people have not read the reference manual - > >>>>>> > >>>>>> not just in the J community but among technical people in general. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I really don't know what to make of this. > >>>>>> > >>>>> This, to me, is akin to wondering why many people, particularly young > >>>>> children, can communicate orally fairly well in a language even when > >>> > >>> they > >>>>> > >>>>> have not studied its grammar. > >>>>> > >>>>> On the one hand, I write J tacitly the same way I speak, almost > always > >>>>> without consciously thinking about grammar rules. On the other > hand, I > >>>>> learned J, a long time ago, by reading the Dictionary (which is not a > >>>>> recommended way to learn it) and simultaneously experimenting with > the > >>>>> interpreter (which is definitely recommended). > >>>>> > >>>>> I wish I had the time to read the Dictionary again in its entirety. > >>> > >>> Yet, > >>>>> > >>>>> I > >>>>> still remember fondly the answer of a brilliant boss of mine when I > >>>>> suggested we should look at one particular reference manual: "Are > you > >>>>> kidding? Manuals are the last resort!" > >>>>> > >>>>> :) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:46 AM, Erling Hellenäs > >>>>>> > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I doubt you can find reasonably accurate descriptions of this > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> functionality > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> (these four helper programs) anywhere else. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> This suggests to me that you have not read > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/dictb.htm > >>>>>> nor > >>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/dicta.htm > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am surprised how many people have not read the reference manual - > >>>>>> not just in the J community but among technical people in general. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I really don't know what to make of this. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Raul > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > >>>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/ > forums.htm > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > >>>>> > >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/ > forums.htm > >>>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/ > forums.htm > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
