> See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_number
> Notation[edit 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Natural_number&action=edit&section=4>]
> 
> Mathematicians use N or ℕ (an N in blackboard bold 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackboard_bold>) to refer to the set 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(mathematics)> of all natural numbers. 
> Older texts have also occasionally employed J as the symbol for this set.

Once I asked Ken about the name of J language and he referred me to the Book of 
J for some clues:

> Biblical scholarship has, by long and minute labor, and with continuing 
> controversy, established that these books are a redaction of at least four 
> separate documents (some say more). One of these, usually regarded as the 
> earliest, was given the label J, 

> Nobody knows who J, as the author of J has come to be called for short, was, 
> and many believe there were several J's; 

He thought I’d be amused to know that J is thought to be a woman.

I wonder if he knew the set of Natural numbers were sometimes represented as J.


Donna Y
[email protected]


> On May 31, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Ah... true...
> 
> But there's at least two different definitions in use for natural
> numbers. These correspond to APL's
> 
> []IO <- 0
> 
> and
> 
> []IO <- 1
> 
> See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_number
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Raul
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Donna Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In any case it has a number system that includes natural numbers as a subset 
>> and natural numbers are both cardinal and ordinal.
>> 
>> Donna Y
>> [email protected]
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> J has complex numbers, including imaginary numbers, actually.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Raul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Donna Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> There are Natural numbers that can be used for counting (Cardinal) and 
>>>> ordering (Ordinal).
>>>> 
>>>> Indexing arrays is an instance of Ordinals.
>>>> 
>>>> Counting elements in arrays is an instance of Cardinal.
>>>> 
>>>> J might not have Irrational or Imaginary or Complex numbers but it does 
>>>> have Natural numbers which can be used as Ordinal or Cardinal even if J 
>>>> does not declare that type. There might be Real or Integer or Rational 
>>>> numbers. The natural numbers with 0, correspond to the non-negative 
>>>> integers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Donna Y
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 31, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Jose Mario Quintana
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Are you referring to the notation you invented, here?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The notation I invented?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oops, I thought you were Bo, for some reason. I don't remember all the
>>>>> details of the notations he has proposed. But that's my mistake and
>>>>> not a relevant tangent in this thread, for now at least.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I try to look up "finite mathematical ordinals" I don't see
>>>>>>> anything significant with that label. And when I try to parse that
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In general, mathematical ordinals and mathematical cardinals are not the
>>>>>> same.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They are indeed different abstractions. Howeve, that does not mean
>>>>> that there's no equivalences between them.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> phrase as individual words, I see no contradiction with what I had
>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do not see one either (often I respond to posts in sequence without
>>>>>> necessarily having read all the subsequent posts).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fair enough.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raul
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