Fair enough. My main cause for concern was a confusion about where the goalposts were.. The message was a response to earlier messages from me bemoaning the death of IIP and asking people for options for communicating to users, including the possibility of starting up IIP. The fact that nobody seemed to object to those messages at the time seemed to me to indicate that those messages were on-topic. And therefore the recent message would also be on topic. However you can easily take the opposite position: that all of those messages were OT for devl, because they are not related to specific bugs or near term features. I object to inconsistency. But I can see where Ian's coming from: we DO have several mailing lists, and such things are more appropriate for chat or tech.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 07:44:04PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote: > Look, this is indeed getting silly, so perhaps we can relax, extinguish > the flames, and find some common ground. > > Twice in the past a Freenet mailing list has been rendered useless > through off-topic posts. The first time was the Chat mailing list > several years ago which succumbed to flamewars over silly issues I don't > even remember any more. This was an annoyance but not really a serious > problem for the project. The second was the devl mailing list where > serious discussion of immediate issues was drowned out by off-topic > posts forcing the core Freenet developers to conduct most discussion on > IRC. Since IRC is much more difficult for people to track, this > resulted in significant and unnecessary opacity in the development > process of Freenet which hurt everyone. It took years for these > important discussions to return to devl. > > I admit that I might sometimes overreact to offtopic posts, but it is in > an effort to avoid a repetition of this unfortunate situation. If, by > making an example of one or two people, I can force people to think > twice as to whether those subscribed to devl want to read their posts, > then it will be more than worth-while. Its a dirty job, but someone has > to do it. > > Ian. > > Sonax wrote: > >Now this is getting silly (or maby it already was), but my weekend has > >started and i have a few hours before i'm going to start drinking, so... > > > > > >>>http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.devel/14157 > >> > >> > >>"implement a useful new feature or fix a significant bug". Hits the > > > > > >>nail on the head if you ask me. > > > > > >Oh, com on. It is clearly implied that the "bugs" and "near-term new > >features" from: > > > >"This list is for active developers to discuss bugs, and the implementation > >of near-term new features. Please only post to this list if you know > >what you are talking about, otherwise use the tech mailing list" > > > >are to be understood as specific bugs and features. Just writing the > >word bug dosn't make you on topic. > > > > > > > >>>http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.devel/14125 > >> > >> > >>A map of the global Freenet network may not be specifically related > > > >to > > > >>things we are immediately about to implement, but it remains far more > > > > > >>relevant than an announcement for a non-Freenet related project. > > > > > >You can't get away from this one. It was off topic! If my post was more > >or less off topic won't change that. > > > > > > > >>>http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.devel/13879 > >> > >> > >>Whether we can pay Matthew is very related to bugs and near-term > >>features since without funds to pay him, our ability to do either is > > > > > >>severely impacted. > > > > > >And if you have no communication with the comunity you can't get feedback > >about new bugs and then Toad cant fix them. See, now my post is on topic... > >You can make everything sound on topic if you argument like this. > >(And you even admit to the post being off topic at the bottom...) > > > >You can't get away from the fact that you have posted off topic posts > >to the list in the past. > > > >Have fun! > > _______________________________________________ > chat mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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