Matthew Findley writes:
>Well the reason that the common argument is illegal pornography is because it is one of the few pieces of information that is totally illegal. Everything >from how to build a nuke to why you'd like to see Bush dead is legal. But not KP, it has a very unique status. And the reason people don't commonly >argue copyright infringment as a reason is because truthfuly no one cares but who ever is being infringed upon.
Ah, precisely! So am I to assume that prosecutors are looking for freenet to step over the line? Thus if KP didn't exist it might be necessary to invent some. My understanding is that right now the biggest distributor of this stuff is U.S. and British law enforcement agencies, hoping to entrap whomever they can. So perhaps they are the ones posting this stuff to freenet!
>If you could prove that Earthlink, Hotmail, Verizon knew that they were helping spread illegal information and failed to act they could be help accountable.
But you can't prove this because my example is that illegal materials are passing through anonymously, perhaps in an encrypted format. This is true also of mail servers and news servers. Every now and again something nasty gets posted there, I'm sure. Yet this is not considered aiding and abetting. My contention is that freenet is in the same category as a mail or news server. Actually it should have less culpability as it is more difficult to know if something illegal has been stored, and by whom.
Finally, are you hinting that perhaps freenet has been cracked by some intelligence or enforcement agency?
Jeff Furgal
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Well the reason that the common argument is illegal pornography is because it is one of the few peices of infomation that is totaly illegel. Everything from how to build a nuke to why you'd like to see Bush dead is legal. But not KP, it has a very unique status. And the reason people don't commonly argue copyright infringment as a reason is because truthfuly no one cares but who ever is being infringed upon.
If you could prove that Earthlink, Hotmail, Verizon knew that they were helping spread illegal infomation and failed to act they could be help accountable.
I don't know if freenet could be cracked by some sort of trojan. I think a bigger risk would come from your ISP. But everything that we're talking about already assumes that freenet has been cracked. Other wise the point is moot since they can't find you anyway.
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> Yes, I lost my temper, and I do apologize.
> When I see a post from a DOJ address giddily claiming that one of the only
> forums for international dissemination of political information, is abetting
> lawbreaking because someone, somewhere, might have posted a nasty picture,
> I do tend to blow a fuse. I see now that Mr Findley is using Hotmail instead,
> so I can assume he is just speaking for himself, which is fine.What is quite interesting is that whenever
> a free speech issue arises, it is often attacked with the claim that it
> is supporting illegal pornography. I get a bit tired of this, and while
> there are convictions in the U.S., I believe it has yet to stand up in
> appeals court. Why can't we look at how important information can be archived
> in freenet? I bet that there is at least one illegal picture somewhere
> on Earthlink, Hotmail, Verizon, etc. Does that make them criminal?As to freenet being insecure, I am talking
> about an issue I saw some time ago. Perhaps it has now been solved. It
> is the Trojan node attack. A false freenet node whose purpose is to collect
> all of the node IP addresses it can, and then piece together the documents
> stored across these nodes, and the location and owner of each node. By
> acting like a freenet node, the Trojan is able to slowly creep through
> the network, one node at a time.Once this is done, and the information
> pieced together, a well funded organization can break open the documents
> with a few days of parallel cracking.Am I way off base here?
> Jeff Furgal
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