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On 26/08/2009, at 9:00 PM, Matthew Brand wrote: > I wonder what the age distribution of J users is compared to that of > other languages. I suspect that it is skewed to the wiser age groups. > > <20 0 > 20-30 0 > 30-40 1 > 40-50 0 > 50-60 0 > 60-70 0 >> 70 0 > > > 2009/8/26 Alex Rufon <[email protected]>: >> I too get the same feeling. >> >> I only get support from people not coming in from a programming >> background or doesn't have a .NET programmer as an advisor. I've >> had recommended J to engineering students, some old classmates >> who's into statistics and some teacher friends. The funny thing is, >> my ward who's studying engineering is using it in his pocket pc and >> my friend who's primarily a teacher and taking her PHD actually >> dropped R and switched to J. One notable thing is, both these >> person never asked me about J again after I introduced it to >> them ... but after a while showed me how they were using J in what >> they do. >> >> I even showed them the J mailing list and they didn't sign up. >> Hehehe. >> >> Me and my wife had this discussion for a while now and one of the >> conclusions is that because J is not mainstream. I mean besides us >> dinosaurs in the office, we actually have a high turnover of >> programmers. Particularly with the freeze hiring for permanent >> positions ... we have a lot of contractual over the years and they >> tend to concentrate on what's NEW from Microsoft since they would >> need that NEW skill for their next job. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:chat- >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew Brand >> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:24 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] The way we think >> >> I have found programmers to be extremely hostile to J. I do not know >> where that comes from. It is very strange. >> >> It is like sitting next to a man almost dying of thirst who has >> only a >> moist sponge to suck on and you offer him a glass of water, but he >> says, "no thanks, I will continue to suck on the sponge ... that is >> what all the others did before they died of thirst, nobody else is >> drinking water. Besides, I don't want to have to teach the next guy >> how to drink water from a glass, he will already be trained to suck >> on >> sponges." >> >> >> 2009/8/21 Steven Taylor <[email protected]>: >>> I had to share this. Using J I was recently able to solve an n- >>> dimensional >>> mapping problem using a J array with a shape vector. The solution >>> needed 4 >>> operations. Moving this back to the C / C# world the other >>> developer >>> couldn't see that it was a complete solution. Instead he is now >>> busy >>> recreating this in an inefficient tree, or as I suggested, if it >>> must be >>> this way, go ahead and use a hash map. >>> "This isn't the way you do it in .net", he said. "You need >>> references and >>> pointers", he continued. In his own words he wanted to go for a >>> "zero >>> intelligence solution"... but it seems to me more like, "zero >>> intelligence >>> but how can I use all the fancy new toys to make it more >>> complex". Oh, and >>> substitute "more complex" with "more maintainable" to >>> be politically correct. >>> >>> --Steven >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/ >> forums.htm >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/ >> forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
