The story is about 10-15 year only technologies, which shows that the author is long out of reach. It also shows that he calls "coding techniques" the thing which are more design frameworks. It true that some of them are somewhat complicated, but the problem is how they are introduced in development process. There is a breach between the high-level design and intentions of a framework and the realities of implementations. Some APIs are not well prepared for regular developers, but they may be very efficient for high-level developers under tight schedule. The problem is that designers may not consider these factors and put together multiple buzz technologies hoping that they would work together (at times the more the better) without considering the maintainability and how it is going to be handled by the "ducktapers".
So it more about overdesign and bloated technology abuse, as opposed to justified use of certain tools for adequate tasks. I could not think of APL/J as bloated or technology overload by itself. But in the hands of a carried away architect it may be applied in an ugly way. Conversely one may take a simplest technology like C and make an unwieldy concoction of frameworks hard to maintain and deliver with it. > From: Joey K Tuttle <[email protected]> > > I didn't mean to imply that Splosky would be supportive of the use of > J or APL, but this thread is about whether using good tools (even > duct tape and WD40) is cheating (or not productive). > > Michael Dykman made the point that seeing a problem in J is a very > useful tool, even when required to implement a solution in other > environments. > > > At 11:54 -0700 2009/09/26, Tracy Harms wrote: > >I'm surprised to see this blog post of Spolsky's advanced as > >supportive of the use of J. His line of thinking seems much more like > >what I've heard from people who don't want to touch J or APL. (As > >Roger said.) But, you may be right that there's a vein of > >compatibility here. > > > >On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Joey K Tuttle wrote: > >> A practical point of view - > >> > > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/09/23.html > >> > > > I would say that J offers really good tools (Duct tape and WD40 > >if you will...) > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
