since this is chat

J ers can be very very very nice people, no doubt

J itself remains challenge

1. advanced scientific cas  calculators tell you were the problem is in 
programming etc on their own, no input required, no fancy meaningless codes

2. tried to install J from an SD card, very kindly mailed across the ocean to 
me. one pocket pc finally said not enough memory, the other has very many J 
references but so far no computing J.

I am looking forward to the 'i Pad', lets you focus on the proverbial draining 
of the swamp rather than the alligator stuff

thanks



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