thanks Oleg

first problem, pressing and holding on the empty space, nothing happened on 
many tries

finally i was able to get a response, and pasted, it took a while

on going back to J602, i noticed the same old grey J j   03/26/09 355K to tap 
on under bin
(i think it works when it is black, not grey)

anyhow, i pressed on the grey J j  and got the usual  
'error and no IDE window for debugging'

i also looked under programs and there is no J

you are right, why should i complain, if you add up the hours, i have only 
spent days since august 2009 on something that is usually automatic, and get 
called names, and negative inferences

Nice Jers have sent me an SD card, Ian, but have not been that confident that 
the SD card would work

you give up?

thanks


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