Great info, I need to save this message. I have a general idea about much of the info but frequently get confused or forget which bit of info applies to which years. Thanx all.
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dale <a396...@fidnet.com> wrote: > Meant to say said, “…except as noted above” where I stated, “…only the > 454 engine in both 1971-72 were available with the SS option exclusively.” > > > > Dale > > *From:* chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto: > chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] *On Behalf Of *Tony > *Sent:* Saturday, May 07, 2011 11:40 AM > > *To:* The Chevelle Mailing List > *Subject:* Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 chevelle > > > > "Again, an engine with matching partial VIN stamped on them is not a way to > tell 1971-1972 SS-optioned Chevelles as noted above." > > > > Not completely true. A 71 Chevelle with a 454 in which the partial VIN on > the block matches that of the car's VIN would verify it as an SS. 72 as well > but not needed because the W in the VIN would verify this year. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Dale <a396...@fidnet.com> > > *To:* 'The Chevelle Mailing List' <chevelle-list@chevelles.net> > > *Sent:* Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:49 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 chevelle > > > > Just a couple of changes… > > > > Dale > > *From:* chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto: > chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] *On Behalf Of *Trooper > *Sent:* Saturday, May 07, 2011 5:34 AM > *To:* The Chevelle Mailing List > *Subject:* Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 chevelle > > > > There seems to be some confusion about the different "plates" we all are > talking about here so here is a brief description of each to help. > > > > The 65-67 Chevelles has the VIN tag on the left front door hinge pillar. > 68-72 are on the left dash visible through the windshield. This is the tag > that identifies your car with the DMV for licensing, ownership, etc. It is > illegal to tamper with or remove this tag. There are several places you can > find the "hidden VIN's" on these cars. Since the frames can be changed, > probably the best place would be on the fire wall under the heater blower. > > > > The only 1965-1967 model year and plant I know of that stamped a partial > VIN behind the heater box on the firewall was Atlanta in 1967. I believe it > became common practice for all plants from 1968 on. > > > > The tag on the left hand portion of the cowl is the trim tag. This tag > gives you body build date, trim codes,Model year and ID, interior style, > body color, etc. Most restorers feel this tag is also very important to the > car but it will not suffice for a VIN tag with the DMV and it is not illegal > to remove. > > > > Formal name is Fisher Body Number plate (aka trim tag, cowl tag, etc.) It > is illegal to remove/alter/etc. in Oklahoma as of November of 2007 for 1953 > through 1977 model year vehicles. See > http://chevellestuff.net/misc/oklahoma_trim_tag_law.htm > > > > The protect-o-plate is a plate that came with your classic when it was > new. It came in a cardboard pamphlet in your glovebox. It was used for > warrantee purposes. It is coded for all the options on your car and thus can > identify an SS for 69-72 when SS was simply an option. Other Chevelles 65-68 > an SS can be identified in the VIN code. > > > > The Protect-O-Plate first appeared in 1965, so there would be no such thing > for the 1964 model year. Only certain options were coded (not all options) > and different years showed different options. Only in 1969 and 1970 can it > be used to identify an SS-optioned Chevelle by looking at the original > engine code since all 69-70 Chevelle SS-optioned Chevelles came with a > performance-oriented 396 or 454 and that engine code is on the POP. When > the SS option became more of a dress-up option than a performance one in > 1971-72, both 350 engines as well as the 402 engine could be ordered with or > without the SS option so the presence of these engine codes is not a way to > tell; only the 454 engine in both 1971-72 were available with the SS option > exclusively. > > > > The build sheets were sheets with all the specific cars options so the > guys on the line knew how to build each individual car. They were to be > thrown away after they were used but many guys simply stuffed them in the > seats, doors, above the glove box or gas tank and anywhere else they could > hide them. So if you can't find your build sheet it's because someone else > did many years ago and tossed it or the guys on the line that day were doing > their job correctly and disposing of your sheets correctly. These sheets > have all your options on them and thus can identify a real 69-72 SS. > > There are other ways to identify an SS Chevelle from 69-72 such as unique > paint codes, engines with matching VINs, W in the VIN of the 72's, etc. But > the build sheet is the gold standard. > > > > Again, an engine with matching partial VIN stamped on them is not a way to > tell 1971-1972 SS-optioned Chevelles as noted above. The generally accepted > paperwork called a ‘buildsheet’ was used in Fremont as early as 1964. Other > plants didn’t begin using them until the 1969 model year. From 1964 (except > for Fremont) through 1969, the paperwork used by workstations was BODY > BROADCAST COPY and CHASSIS BROADCAST COPY sheets and has almost no > information about options. See > http://chevellestuff.net/1969/bs/kan/kan.htm for some 1969 examples of > these sheets. > > > > Hope this clarifies a few things. > > > > Tony > > > > I didn’t see a response to the message below but may have missed it. VIN > plates have been around for years, at least as far back as 47 that I know of > for Chevrolets and maybe earlier. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Jim Thompson <jimthompso...@gmail.com> > > *To:* 'The Chevelle Mailing List' <chevelle-list@chevelles.net> > > *Sent:* Friday, May 06, 2011 6:06 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 chevelle > > > > My 65 does not have a plate on the door post. Just the plate on the > firewall, I think they came later. > > > > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1500/3622 - Release Date: 05/07/11 > > -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino
