--- In [email protected], "Heather Thompson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

First I'd like to say thank you for the advice. I had a dog before 
where she was trained the same way. And it worked great. But I got 
tired of the smell from her pooing on the pad. We live in a apt. I 
didn't want to deal with that again,so the puppy is gooing 
outside .she has had no accidents (during the day). When i think its 
time for her to go,I take her outside and she goes. At night,my big 
problem is I can't wake up to take her out so she pottys by the 
door. She is used to going outside,and obviously unable to hold it 
in through-out my sleep. She has been sleeping with me on the floor 
by the front door. I didn't try putting her in a crate becuase Im 
worried she'l pee or poop in it just the same,..since she cant hold 
it in,and I cant wake up. I need to get myself up somehow,get a 
better alarm,set my cellphone to ff more times,or SOMETHING 
regardless of wether she is in s crate or not,becuase I do not want 
her using weewee pads. I'd rather get up and take her outside for a 
year untill she can go all night without going out. Its worth it to 
me. I just need to wake up ! :) Christine  Oh if chihua ...I'm 
back...She jumped off my lap. I took that as a cue to go potty so we 
went outside,and she went! during daylight hours (4whole days we've 
had her)NOT ONE SINGLE accident! Anyway If a full grown chi cannot 
hold it in overnight I will consider using weewee pads(at night 
only).Same goes for if I am unsuccessful at nighttime 
pottytraining.  Someone please tell me they can hold it in overnight 
*eventualy*.. thanks again... Christine


>  First off Congratulations on your new baby.  What's her name?  I 
too just
> recently got my first Chihuahua.  She is 9 weeks old is blue 
spotted on
> white, and her name is Zoey.  Second, is your puppy sleeping in a 
crate or
> anything or just allowed out?  Dogs generally won't go potty 
somewhere they
> see as their 'den'.  I would recommend getting your little puppy a 
crate to
> sleep in.  This is the best quickest way to potty train them if 
you want
> them to go potty outside.  My little puppy is getting potty 
pad/litter box
> trained as is doing quite well.  She is only allowed out if 
someone is
> directly supervising her or playing with her, if we can't watch 
her she is
> put in her pen.  I have made an exercise pen 'her area'  It has 
her bed,
> food, toys on one end and a potty pad/litter box on the other.  
That way if
> we can't watch her she's not going potty wherever she feels the 
need, but
> somewhere that is appropriate.  At night she is in a large wire 
crate with
> her bed on one end and potty pad on the other in my bedroom.  She 
is doing
> excellen with this.  From what I have been told and what I've 
heard, it
> usually takes up to 6-8months before a Chihuahua is considered 
reliably
> housetrained.  At 7 weeks they do not have full control of their 
bowels or
> bladder so will generally just go wherever they are whether it be 
during
> play or something else.  Here is some excellent advice that was 
sent on
> another Chi group I am on.  Probably the BEST advice I have ever 
seen about
> potty training puppies.  Good luck!     I just found out/put my 
name on a
> waiting list for a Show Quality Long Hair Female Chihuahua....so I 
will be
> adding another Chi to my family in the near future!
>  
>  Okay, this will be a serious answer to the housebreaking 
questions raised.
> I 
> Do dog training for several rescue groups. The #1 reason dogs are 
dumped, in
> 
> My opinion, is because they have not been properly housebroken and 
their 
> Owners are tired of dealing with it. Most of the dogs I get in my 
home have
> no 
> Concept of what housebreaking is or what is expected of them.
> 
> First, here is my definition of a dog that is housebroken: A dog 
that will 
> Either (a) use an inside method to eliminate (whether it is 
papers, pee pads
> 
> Or a doggie litter box) or (B) will indicate to its owner that it 
wants to
> use
> The outside to eliminate. I know some people will say, my dog is 
housebroken
> 
> But sometimes has accidents in the house. If your dog is 
eliminating 
> Inappropriately at any time, it is not housebroken. 
> 
> Sometimes, a dog -- especially stubborn breeds like chis and jack 
Russell 
> Terriers -- will engage in what I call "spiteful elimination".  I 
have one 
> Here that does that. If she gets annoyed at someone -- for 
example, she
> tried 
> To steal my lunch and I scolded her -- she will look for a shoe or 
some
> other 
> Personal property and either urinate or defecate on it. That is a 
different 
> Story and that is a behavior problem. That type of problem 
requires a 
> Different approach and involves dog obedience. 
> 
> Things you should realize when housebreaking as dog:
> 
> 
> 1. If you don't catch them in the act of making, do not scold 
them. They
> have 
> No idea what you are yelling about. Dogs have a very short term 
memory span.
> I 
> Believe I read somewhere that if you don't catch it within the 
first 15 or
> 20 
> Seconds, the dog doesn't know what is going on.  So, if you come 
home and 
> There is feces or urine someplace you don't want it, and you start 
yelling
> or 
> Scolding dog, the dog thinks you are mad at it but has no idea WHY 
you are 
> Mad. After a while, the dog will not come when you call it because 
of this. 
> (this is also one of the main reasons that dogs have difficulty 
responding
> to 
> Their owners in obedience classes. They have learned to fear them 
and view 
> Their owner's behavior as unpredictable. Once you lose your dog's 
trust in 
> You, it takes a lot of work to get it back)
> 
> 
> Think of it from the dog's point of view. He doesn't realize that 
what he
> did 
> Was wrong because you were not there to catch him and tell him. 
All he knows
> Is the person he loves and adores is home. He rushes to greet you. 
His tail
> is 
> Wagging, he is excited that "HIS" human is here! You are back! How 
do you 
> Respond to this joyful greeting of love and adoration??? You yell 
and scold.
> 
> Wow, he thinks, what's their problem? This happens 2 or 3 times 
and he
> begins 
> To fear you as the psychotic yelling machine that comes home every 
day.
> 
> 
> 2.  If you catch the dog eliminating inappropriately, do not yell 
again.
> This 
> Will only scare him and he will eliminate even more. Just say in a 
calm, but
> 
> Firm voice: no, not there. Scoop up the dog and place him where 
you want him
> 
> To go. Even if he only dribbles the last few drops of urine from 
his bladder
> 
> Because the rest of it has already been deposited on your rug, 
PRAISE HIM.
> Be 
> Very effusive "what a good doggie. What a very good boy". 
> 
> 
> Do not rub his nose in it. Do not keep pointing to the spot 
yelling. This
> only 
> Reinforces the psychotic owner image in the dog's mind.
> 
> 
> 3.  If there is a spot where you dog makes all the time, make sure 
it is 
> Thoroughly cleaned up and the odors removed or the dog will 
continue to use 
> It. Animals are drawn to the smell. The best method I have ever 
found was
> not 
> In a commercial product, but plain old white vinegar.  Dilute 2 to 
1 in
> water, 
> Saturate the rug area with the vinegar/water solution. Let it sit 
for a
> minute 
> Or two. Wipe up the excess. Then sprinkle baking soda generously 
over the 
> Spot. It should be a thin layer over the wet vinegar/water spot. 
Let it sit 
> For 24 to 36 hours. The baking soda will turn a yellow/brown color 
(that is 
> The urine from the under padding being absorbed by the baking 
soda) and it 
> Will become hard. When it is hard, just vacuum it up.
> 
> If it is on a hard floor or laminate floor, check with the 
manufacturer. I 
> Have Mannington floors in my home. I specifically purchased the 
industrial 
> 
> Strength laminate floors from them because of all the 
housebreaking I do. 
> 
> These floors can take the vinegar/water mix on them for a minute 
or two 
> without ruining the finish. I have had my floors 3 years and they 
still look
> 
> 
> 
> like new. Most flooring companies have a website that you can 
check for 
> cleaning instructions and tolerance levels of cleaners. 
> 
> 
> 4. No liquids after 7 pm. Just like when you are potty training 
children.
> You 
> have to realize that a puppy chi has the bladder the size of a 
large pea or 
> small lima bean. It cannot hold much. A lot of times puppies will 
drink to 
> satisfy things other than thirst. That is why I would recommend 
buying 
> unflavored pedialyte (children or baby aisle of store) and 
freezing in an
> ice 
> cube tray (I use the really small cube tray, the teeny tiny 
ones).  After 7 
> pm pop two or three of those cubes in a bowl and just put enough 
water in
> the bottom of the dish to cover it. This will aid in the melting 
of the
> cubes.
> 
> 
> If the dog is thirsty, he will lick and suck on the cubes. The 
electrolytes
> in 
> 
> the pedialyte will satisfy his thirst and he won't become 
dehydrated, but he
> 
> 
> 
> won't be able to consume enough fluid to overflow his bladder. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 5. Watch the dog. If you see him sniffing or circling, place him 
in an area
> which is appropriate to eliminate.  Watch the dog. If he is 
drinking a lot
> at 
> one time, realize that within the next 10-15 minutes he will have 
to urinate
>  
> Watch the dog. If he is chowing down on food, realize that within 
the next
> 20-
> 25 minutes he will have to defecate. Watching the dog and learning 
his body 
> language is important.
> 
> 
> 6. This is one thing I cannot stress enough: Praise. An effusive 
emotional 
> positive praise response after every act of appropriate 
elimination --
> whether 
> it is just sniffing the pad and not making or using the pad, or 
going up to 
> you or the door to be let out -- is essential. The dog learns that 
when he 
> does this type of action, he gets what he values most:  Your 
undivided 
> attention in a positive manner.  That is what housebreaking is. We 
are re-
> programming the dog's natural instincts of eliminating where he 
wants to. We
> 
> are training him to act in a manner which fits into human 
lifestyle. What is
> 
> his motive to do this? You. You and your love, and your praise and 
your 
> positive attitude which makes him feel like he is the king (or 
queen) of
> your 
> world.
> 
> 
> 7.  There is no such thing as a dog being too old to be 
housebroken. I have 
> done puppy mill rescue and geriatric dog rescue since 1989. NONE 
of these
> dogs 
> have been housebroken. The average age of these dogs coming into 
my home is
> 7 
> or 8 years old. EVERY dog leaves my house: housebroken and on leash
> obedience 
> trained. You must be consistent; you must be patient; and you must 
put your 
> ego on the back burner. And EVERYONE in the household must 
participate in
> this
> training, not just one person.
> 
> 
> 8.  A Chihuahua or any toy breed for that manner takes a long time 
to 
> housebreak when young. I have found the average age for being 
fully 
> housebroken to be about 9-12 months old. Some do learn earlier, 
some learn 
> later. But this is the average age based on my years of 
experience. 
> Personally, I was shocked when I started working with toy breeds 
because the
> 
> 
> larger dogs "get it" a lot faster. But, most Chihuahuas take a lot 
longer to
> 
> learn the housebreaking "rules".
> 
> 
> This is partly because of their size, their bladders are small, 
and it takes
> a 
> long time to gain full control of the bladder. Bladder muscle 
control is a 
> slow and steady process.  Patience is necessary.  Another reason 
is because 
> 
> they are a stubborn breed and it sometimes becomes a battle of the 
wills. 
> 
> After all, it is much easier for the dog to pee in the corner of a 
room
> where 
> the puppy is playing (and not interrupt his play sequence) then it 
is to go
> to 
> 
> the appropriate area. Consistency and Patience are a must when 
training toy 
> 
> breeds.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>  
>  Heather Thompson
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> -------Original Message-------
>  
> From: Katherine
> Date: 12/29/05 06:09:21
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Chihuahuas] new to group ,questions on housebraking
>  
> Hello. My name is Christine . Our family Just got a new chihuahua 
> for the first time on the 26th. She is very lively. For the first 
> two days we had no accidents during the day. I have taken her 
> outside everytime. Ive been sleeping with her on the floor by the 
> front door at night,so when she wakes up to poty,I can take her 
> outside also. Well,aperantly last night I didn't wake up with her. 
> She pooped by the front door,and also in our bedroom. I geuss when 
> she was done with her buissness she curled back up in my 
> arms,because this morning it was as if she never left me. 
> IS there a better way for me to wake up,to take her outside? I 
think 
> I should set an alarm to go off every couple hours or something. 
Wil 
> l she need to potty every night for the rest of her life due to 
> being so small,or will she outgrow it like other dogs do? 
> I do NOT like having poop inside my home. BUt I may consider using 
a 
> weewee pad for at night only,because it looks like we might have 
to 
> do that. Im afraid if shes taught to use one at night tho,she will 
> want to use it during the day. She is 7weeks and I have not let 
any 
> accidents accur during the day since we've had her. My plan is for 
> her to eventualy go to the front door to tell us when she has to 
go. 
> Thanks so much! Christine
> 
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