I know you would not look down on anyone Joan and I remember reading about all the hard times you and others on this list have had and I think that is why it shocked me so much when people got so mean with Marsha about her hearing loss and her finances. My Uncle married a lady that is totally deaf. She is the most wonderful person I know. She is the one that taught me sign language since I spent a lot of time at her house growing up. Her oldest son is severely mentally disabled and has the mind of a 4 year old, she taught her kids sign language at a very early age. So myself, my brother and my sister are all very good at sign language. As a matter of fact my sister who is an RN also interprets sign language in meetings, seminars etc.. They pay her excellent money to do it too.
_____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan Croft Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 5:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: oppinion? / this is crap guys! read between the lines... My brother dated a gal whose sister was deaf. She drove and would have the radio on because she could feel the vibrations. She did not talk real clear, but it was understandable. She was a wonderful artist and painted a portrait of our Chihuahua/Fox Terrier from a photograph. I don't know sign language. But, I know it is a valuable tool for both those with hearing and those without. I had a friend who was taking the baby (not hearing deprived) to a class that was just for parents and babies. They were learning sign language for things such as bottle, milk, eye, ears, and also animals and other familiar things to children. A baby's mind is like a sponge and it didn't take too long for the mother and baby to sign to each other those basics. As I wrote a huge message the other day about my disability, I would never look down on anyone because of disability. I used to work with developmentally disabled adults. One day I needed the typewriter in one of the rooms and while I was typing I was amazed. A group of three or four DD Adults, some were Downs, and some were not. They were discussing the headlines in the newspaper the same as a very learned adult would. God makes little challenges, but he leaves enough room for us all to shine through. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dasha Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 1:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: oppinion? / this is crap guys! read between the lines... When I was 18 months I had the measles then before they were gone I got the mumps. I lost nerves in both my ears. I have what they call a nerve deafness and it is profound. I was already talking and watching lips when this happened to me. I am an excellent lip reader and have good speech. However, If someone is talking to me and I am not facing them, I can hear them talking but can't distinguish what they are saying. Phones are very hard for me and the older I get the worse it gets. There are people that were born deaf but still learned how to speak through therapy. You don't need to hear through bone conduction or vibration. I am also very good with sign language having parents that believed in both ways. HTH Sheila _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan Croft Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: oppinion? / this is crap guys! read between the lines... Shanna, If someone is deaf, it does not mean that they are mute also. Some people become deaf from some incident that happens when they are not a baby. If that person learned to talk, they retain how to talk. She said she has a special phone for the deaf, so perhaps she is legally deaf but has a little hearing that the special phones help her to hear via bone conduction or something. Perhaps she also has some hearing aids that have brought her hearing to a tiny bit, which is better than nothing. I did go almost deaf when I was 12. You know how I knew what people were saying? Reading lips is how. To this day, if I am talking to someone in person, I am reading their lips at the same time. I am not making an opinion of what is going on with the puppies, just trying to let you know that just because a great deal of people that are deaf may have special devices where they can hear very little, and also that if that person went deaf somewhere in their lives, they can still talk and if they still have vision, they can read lips. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shanna Machanpalli Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: oppinion? / this is crap guys! read between the lines... YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY AND YOUR DEAF?? UMMM there is something wrong with this picture! <Im deaf so i dont hear it.> <I ama liscenced atty. I know law if nothing else> how did you communicate with this buyer if your deaf? <We had already arranged pick up of the pup on Sunday so when I met her we discussed the cold. She did not have to take the pup but I told her, if she wants it, take it to the vet and if the vet says anything is wrong, she can return it and I will give her her money back. Monday I called her to see what the vet said. How did you hear her on the phone if your deaf? Your not telling the truth and your waisting our time here. AND IF SHE GAVE YOU A BILL, YOU WOULD KNOW WHO THE VET WAS. DAH! sorry but I think your "puffing" about this whole thing. Shanna & Ricky Las Vegas Nevada!! My Chi Ricky... Is A HeartBeat At My Feet Kavis Christening n Communion Store Visit my eBay Store: http://stores.ebay.com/Kavis-Christening-n-Communion-Store --- On Sat, 2/12/11, ownedbychis <[email protected]> wrote: From: ownedbychis <[email protected]> Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: oppinion? To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 8:07 AM And i do take respobsibility. Give md my pup back and it will get treated. Idk whats going on. They will not even tell me eho the vet is. Im suppise to just trust her. Im suppose to give her free reign to give me any bill and me pay it? No. If she wants to take the pup to my vet, ill do that. If she wants a refund, ill do that. Ill even keep the pup till it is fine then give it back. But I will not pay her vet bills and yoy will not find a breeder anywhere who would. The pup was coughing accoeding to others. Im deaf so i dont hear it. But the buyer called me sunday nite said "pup is coughing" my mom tells me "yes pup was cauoghing not much but some" now my vet had said pup was fine. I had no reason to think otherwise. But buyer says coughing my mom says yes coughing so i say ok bring it back ill give you youf money back. Buyer says no we will see whar vet says. Next day buyer dont contact me but i xontact her becayse i worry. Buyer says oh vet said it has btoncitis but will be fine. Again i ask her to bring it back. Agsin shr says no. Now it is 5 days later and she calls snd says still voughing. So agsin i sat bring it back sgain she says no. Btw before anyone wznts to be s jerk re my typos im on my ph anx goy tired of vackspacing do u get what u get --- In [email protected] <http://us.mc1212.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> , Deanna Corey <myowndogpark@...> wrote: > > Ok...I want to weigh in here too...just like me to jump in with my 2 cents lol!! Marsha...it is very important for you to pay these vet bills for a few reasons. First you have to understand that I am pro- breeder...I stick up for them all the time when discussions arise about why it is not politically correct to be a breeder at a time when the shelters are so full. I will never judge you for breeding. But...I would love to see you take responsibility for this pup as well as the other ones that got sick with colds. Because? Because it is the right thing to do. You have an obligation to that pup and that owner because you let a pup go to a home when it was not 100% healthy. As a poodle breeder...as a believer...as an animal lover...I would. It is the right thing to do...forget your contract for a minute...forget about what others do or dont do. You obviously know in your heart what is right. You are asking us to validate something for you that you cannot validate for yourself...think...just for a minute...what is right for that pup...what is the responsible course of action to take. Good breeders...good people stand by their animals for life. Something I would like to share with you...I stopped breeding poodles...not because the shelters were full...not because I think breeding is wrong...but because I am at my limit. My heart tells me that I am responsible for all those poodles out there that I brought into this world. Your heart...if you listen...will tell you the same thing. I am not telling you to not breed...but I am saying you are responsible. If you get to the point that you don't want to be responsible...or can't...for each and every dog you bring into this world...then it is time to stop breeding. Just my 2 cents. I know you got jumped on...it was harsh...I personally would be in tears. You asked for opinions and you got slammed. But...really look past the initial owie this is to what these people are saying. They are not being gracious...they are hard. But if you can look past their initial response there is a great message. Take responsibility! > > Wagging Tails in the Dog Park! > Deanna and the Dog Park Gang: > Nugget, Shuai Li, Mable, Mouse, Myrtle, Madison, Caleb and Maxine > From the mountains of CA > > http://swlf.lilyslim.com/v3T7m8.png?h9j6wId9 > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:32 PM, "Peggy & The Girls" <phrpg5@...> wrote: > > > Liz.....You Are Exactly Right!!! > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Liz Bickel & Irv Weinberg > > Date: 2/12/2011 1:18:54 AM > > To: [email protected] <http://us.mc1212.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] oppinion? > > > > > > > > A Chihuahua Breeder for 30 years, I feel that you should not have let any pup that had "a cold" leave your home until that pup was well. It doesn't matter how old the pup was or if you had buyers with cash in hand or anything else. > > > > Yes, if you had kept the pup a little bit longer, you would have then had to pay the vet bill yourself. However, that was your responsibility when you bred the litter. > > > > You made a mistake in letting this pup go to a new home before it was ready. A sick puppy is not ready to go to a new home. A sick puppy (even with a minor illness) absolutely should not be changing homes - until it is first well again - even if an eager, uneducated buyer is willing to take it. Although I can guess, I don't know how young you consider a Chihuahua puppy as being "ready to go" or how you raise your dogs. However, IMHO, the name of the game in Chihuahua breeding is doing what is best for the Chihuahuas and not just making a sale. > > > > As for the matter of not being able to keep your heat above 56 degrees - because you can't afford your heat bill - how on earth can you afford to breed Chihuahuas??? > > > > In my experience, producing a litter - and properly caring for mom and babies - can end up being quite costly. I never breed a litter unless I have at least $2,000 set aside for emergency expenses. Even with a free whelping line, you never know when a C-section might be needed. And that is just one of many unforeseen complications which can happen when you breed Chihuahuas. > > > > If the buyer would give you this puppy back, will you then pay for its medical care? > > > > What about the other puppies? What has happened with them? You said that "a couple of the pup's got a cold", too. Have they been seen by a vet? > > > > > > Liz > > > > > > My pups were ready to go Monday, and they went quick! 3 of the available 4 > > were sold before they were ready to go! However, last week was extremely > > cold here. I'm gonna be very frank and honest. I can not afford to keep my > > heat very high. My temps inside my home are set at 56. We keep > > covered..its the best I can do. Anyhow, a couple of the pup's got a cold. > > We had already arranged pick up of the pup on Sunday so when I met her we > > discussed the cold. She did not have to take the pup but I told her, if > > she wants it, take it to the vet and if the vet says anything is wrong, > > she can return it and I will give her her money back. Monday I called her > > to see what the vet said. She said the vet said the pup had broncitis ..Again, I offered her a refund and return of the pup. > > She said no. Said he would be fine. My contract states you have 72 hours > > to tell me you want to return the pup and it states that if there is any > > health concerns, remedies are limited to buy back of pup...I will not pay > > vet bills...I do accept that the pup got sick under my care which is why I have > > extended the refund time... Today she calls says it has been a week (actually only been 5 days) said > > the pup was still not better and that vet wanted to do x-rays ect and > > said it was genetic... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Seseni.jpg> > > >
