Re: Re: Re: Re: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

Sheila Wed, 04 Apr 2012 14:33:26 -0700

It is real easy to get lost in these threads since no one cuts and paste when applying, Including moi. I understand the passion.

Life is what happens while you are busy making plans.

On Apr 4, 2012, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote:

You are right..I lost the thread and that was Courtney that posted about people being too cheap to give their pets shots. I apologize for the confusion. I am not a black and white person that thinks that my opinion is the only opinion,. That is the value of this list..to show all opinions and decide what it best for you..an informed decision. I think it benefits everyone. But what I am passionate about is that all pets get the benefit of the proper care..that is our responsibility that we took on and it is up to us to find a way to make it happen. My son sees animals every day euthanized because people can't or won't pay to care for them or rescues like Tino who almost died from neglect. That is my passion and I will not apologize for insisting people take care of these wonderful little souls and live up to the trust we promised to them.

From: Sheila <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

You are going to have to show me where I said people were too cheap to give their pets shots? Nope was not me Pam. I was simply going by what I was reading. You did state that IYO people that could not afford titers or shots that they should not have pets, you left no room for life changing things in that statement. I have made no statements about people's financial means or anything else. I agree about people being irresposible and I really dislike that also. Maybe you culd have worded what you said better? I could have worded mine better also. No you did not state they should give them up but to me when you said they should not have them it is saying the same thing. That is just how I read it.
Life is what happens while you are busy making plans.

On Apr 4, 2012, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote:

You are the only one getting hot under the collar here and obviously also reading things into the emails that perhaps aren't there?? You also were the one that stated" that people are too cheap" to give their pets shots without having any clue as to their circumstances. If you wish to read things into my emails that are mean and degrading by all means enjoy yourself; it certainly gives you a reason in your mind to "flame:" Do I have a problem with people being irresponsible with their pets?? Yes. Do I have a problem with people getting pets without the financial resources to care for them.. Yes.. Of course I know people run into hard times occasionally and have to get discount care etc. No where in my emails did I say these people should give up their pets? There are ways and means to care for your pets and responsible pet owners find a way..even if it means doing without themselves, which I have done upon occasion.

And I am SO glad you are not trying to start anything..

From: Sheila <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

Man, you do realize that people have pets and could afford them when they got them, then times changed and they no longer could? So according to you if they hit hard times they should just give up their pet?
Talk about lumping!! This is why discussions like these get people so hot under the collar because some can get so degrading towards others. Sheep? Nope but that also does not mean that others have to agree with your opinion.

And I am NOT trying to start anything. I have been following this discussion and I am reading things in emails that are just mean.

Life is what happens while you are busy making plans.

Apr 4, 2012 12:32:10 PM, [email protected] wrote:

There is a big difference between never giving a dog their original shots and immunizations and not giving dogs boosters that titers show they don't need. That is the problem, it is easier to lump everyone together into one category and I refuse to do that and let my pets suffer the results. For some it is a question of not being able to afford it..which in my opinion you should not have a pet in the first place. If you are just cheap..well you also should not have a pet either.. Both those categories are the people that are targeted by Vets and laws. I know my pets are safe and will not get or give any diseases..I do my own grooming, I do not board, and they do not need unnecessary vaccines. It is a personal choice on your pet's wellbeing. We are not sheep but capable of informed decisions about our pet's welfare.

From: courtney church <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

i used to work for Petco and they only cared about the little puppies who have not yet been vaccinated and were walking all over the ground. associates would walk up to the customer and tell them to pick up their puppy and to not let it walk on the floor. with adult dogs they figured the owner knew what they were doing but really wanted to make sure that puppies stayed safe. i now work for PetSmart in the grooming department and we require rabies for all services even nail trims. sadly we do not require any other shot. people would call back saying we gave their dog bordatella, but yet they NEVER vaccinated for that, so technically THEY gave their dog bordatella. im telling you people get your dogs vaccinated. dont be cheap about it like most of our customers are. lady came in saying she NEVER gave her dogs a shot at all because they never leave the house. i said "what about things you bring into the house? you go everywhere and im sure you have guests that come over how do you know they arent carrying something on their shoes?" just cuz your dog doesnt leave the house doesnt make it safe.

From: sheila <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

so true

From: Joan Croft

Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:44 AM

To: [email protected]

Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

Yeah…but just think of how stupid Petco is. You can take your dog into their store and they don’t ask you about vaccines. Then your dog can pass something on the floor and it gets stepped on by other people or sniffed up by other dogs…but they only care about trimming their nails.

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pam Dean
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

Yeah I really, really don't like Petco or places like that. I guess they are better than no care but..well maybe..

From: Pam Dean <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

When I was rescuing cats years ago, they were pouring vaccines into them like crazy..much more than now. I had three cats die of immune system problems, and my Vet actually acknowledges that it was from over-vaccination. But unfortunately it takes years to change the status quo and in the meantime animals are dying needlessly.

From: Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

Well said Pam. Here the titers cost a lot more then the Booster. Petco runs a clinic and their are other pet shops that do the same thing. The Booster only cost $15.00, the titers range from $50.00 to $125.00 depending on how much a Vet wants to rip you off. Still it's worth the money, because if your dog has a reaction then you could be in for a life time of vet bills. Not only that but all meds and any impurities in a dogs system (as with humans too) is filtered through the liver. If the liver isn't strong enough to filter out the impurities and meds then they stay within the liver itself and constantly weaken and damage the liver. So along with the fact that constant revaccinating does not add more antibodies to the animals system, you have a liver that is on over load and then in turn the dogs immune system is compromised even more.

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From: Pam Dean

Date: 4/3/2012 6:01:00 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

I agree. If people would not treat Vets as Gods, and understand that there is a lot of politics and money making going on there, their pocket book and their pets would be better off. Why blindly give a live vaccine without knowing if your pets need it?? and when a titer will give u the information you need?? I wonder how many of your vets out there even suggest to you that you might be able to avoid putting this crapola into your pet's body by checking a titer first?? I bet not many..cause a titer is a heck of a lot cheaper than these boosters.

From: Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 3:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

I stand corrected! I thought I had read somewhere that it was Distemper that had an outbreak. My big error! Anyway, those statistic's are for dogs and cats that have never been vaccinated. I am saying and so does the studies that the AVMA did, that a dog does not have to be re-vaccinated every year. When you read their recommendations they say that the rabies vaccine should last 5+ yrs.

We also have a choice of doing a titer to see if there is still enough rabies antibodies in a dogs system, before we give another shot to them.

I will probably have a titer done on Gigi, if she doesn't have any immunity against the rabies vaccine, then I will give her a shot, but I really doubt that she will ever need a second shot or get it again. The same holds for Princess.

So I do believe in vaccinating dogs, but only once for each of the virus's that are out there. I do believe in giving puppies the series of their first shots for all virus's and then a Booster a year later, plus the initial rabies shot.

Peggy & The Girls

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From: Joan Croft

Date: 4/3/2012 2:57:26 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Rabies in US - Wa Yearly Vaccines

I know that you do not want to vaccinate your dogs with the rabies vaccine, but your information about no cases of rabies anywhere in over 24 years is incorrect.

Every pet owner has to make decisions that they feel are right for themselves and their pet. I just want to post the statistics and information from the CDC. And…after reading this information – knowing that there have, and continue to be, rabies cases in the US, everyone does need to weigh the facts and decide what is best for themselves.

Here is a link to the CDC…this map shows the 2010 numbers – red dots being dogs, and yellow dots being cats.

http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/resources/publications/2010-surveillance/cats-and-dogs.html

Domestic species accounted for 8% of all rabid animals reported in the United States in 2010. The number of reported rabid domestic animals decreased among all domestic species except cats.

In 2010, cases of rabies in cats increased 1.0% compared with the number reported in 2009. The number of rabies cases reported in cats is routinely 3-4 times that of rabies reported in cattle or dogs. Pennsylvania reported the largest number of rabid domestic animals (72) for any state, followed by New York (51). In 2010 approximately 1.1% of cats and 0.3% of dogs tested for rabies were found positive.

Each year, scientists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) collect information about cases of animal and human rabies from the state health departments and publish the information in a summary report. The most recent report, entitled "Rabies surveillance in the United States during 2010," contains the epidemiologic information on rabies during 2010. Below is a brief summary of the surveillance information for 2010, including maps showing the distribution of rabies in the United States.

In 2010, 48 states and Puerto Rico reported 6,153 cases of rabies in animals and 2 human cases to CDC (Hawaii is the only state that is rabies free). The total number of reported cases decreased by approximately 8.0% from those reported in 2009 (6,690 rabid animals and 4 human cases).

What is the risk for my pet?

Any animal bitten or scratched by either a wild, carnivorous mammal or a bat that is not available for testing should be regarded as having been exposed to rabies.

Unvaccinated dogs, cats, and ferrets exposed to a rabid animal should be euthanized immediately. If the owner is unwilling to have this done, the animal should be placed in strict isolation for 6 months and vaccinated 1 month before being released.

The importance of vaccinating your pet

Although the majority of rabies cases occur in wildlife, most humans are given rabies vaccine as a result of exposure to domestic animals. This explains the tremendous cost of rabies prevention in domestic animals in the United States.

While wildlife are more likely to be rabid than are domestic animals in the United States, the amount of human contact with domestic animals greatly exceeds the amount of contact with wildlife.

Your pets and other domestic animals can be infected when they are bitten by rabid wild animals. When "spillover" rabies occurs in domestic animals, the risk to humans is increased.

Pets are vaccinated by your veterinarian to prevent them from acquiring the disease from wildlife, and thereby transmitting it to humans.

(all the above was copied and pasted from the CDC website)

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peggy & The Girls
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:25 AM

hasn't been a case of rabies anywhere in over 24 yrs.

Peggy & The Girls

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From: Cindy

Date: 4/3/2012 11:30:40 AM

To: [email protected]

Subject: [Chihuahuas] Yearly Vaccines

Hi Everyone,

My vet's office just sent a reminder that Cooper my 15 month old Chi is due for his vaccinations and parasite check. I can't remember who said something about having them check the levels to make sure that he really needs a booster. I don't take any meds myself, and I certainly don't want to give my dogs anything unnecessary or potentially harmful.
The ones that he is due for are DA2PPv 1 year immunity, IDEXX Fecal Ova and Parasites by Zin, IDEXX Young Canine Maintenance Profile, and Rabies Canine 1 year Booster. My little Dali had a reaction to the rabies vaccine when she got it for the first time so I am concerned. What do you think?

Thanks! Cindy

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