I believe it! There are some *horrible* vets :( On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Yes, my littlest one Bino has terrible reactions to all vaccinations..sick > for two or three days..large swelling at the injection site. Just cries > pitifully. No more.. and my vet's reaction when I told him?? He said "oh > really?" When my son was starting in the business as a vet asst the first > vet he worked for was one of the bad ones. Don't think he was qualified > and frankly don't think he even liked animals. The good euthanasia drugs > are expensive..and he would never stock enough or want to give more if > needed. If they did not die with the first injection, he would throw them > in the freezer to die. Said they were unconscious anyway. My son was very > tenderhearted and found another vet asap but he still bears the scars from > that one. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Carey Smith <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:05 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Vaccine Studies & Protocol-2011 > > > It's been very hard for me to work for vets and smile and tell people that > vaccine are fine....when every single week we were having dogs with vaccine > reactions because the vet I worked for bought the cheapest vaccines (Ft > Dodge).....In all my years combined working in vet clinics, I had never > seen as many vaccine reactions as I had in the past year and a half at this > clinic. I am now unemployed and looking for a job with an alternative, > holistic vet. I just can't smile and lie any more! > > Carey > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It is sad too because people must trust their Vets and doctors to do the > best for them and their pets. We are conditioned to do that and frankly > feel easier in our selves to give them the responsibility. After all they > went to school..that is their job. But when I see them blindly following > the status quo it makes me very uneasy. My gf recently euthanized her > Bischon. Now he was 12, blind, incontinent, had seizures continually, and > could barely walk. Do you know the Vet constantly told her it wasn't time > to give this dog some peace, and until the year he died was giving him the > full barrage of vaccinations. Now what is wrong with that picture?? She > spent thousands on that dog for two years of hell for the dog. Makes me > crazy. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Carey Smith <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:38 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Vaccine Studies & Protocol-2011 > > > I love seeing informed stuff like this! I did a research paper on the > negative effects of vaccines a few years ago. Really opened my eyes. My 16 > 1./2 year old Chi hasn't been vaccinated in at least 5 years, maybe more. > My other dogs (ages 4 & 3) will not have any more vaccines, and my 11 month > old will get his adult booster of DHP & rabies (4 weeks apart) when he is a > year and a half old an he won't be vaccinated again after that. > What so many people don't realize with vaccines, is that the 1 year > guidelines was initially chosen because it was the *minimum* DOI, not > maximum. As you know, Dr Schultz's research showed back in the 70's!! that > the DOI is actually much longer, if not lifetime, for the core vaccines. > Also, vaccines are ONLY licensed to be used on *healthy* animals. If your > dog is hypothyroid, diabetic, has allergies, or any other disease process, > *the vet is not supposed to use a vaccine on your dog!!!* If he does, he > is bordering on malpractice....yet that is EXACTLY what most vets do. So > sad, really, but they are just creating more business for themselves. The > vaccines make the dog sick, the dog comes back from treatment, and the > cycle goes on... > > Carey > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > Forgot to add this: > Note several non-core vaccines are only available in combination with > other vaccines, some of which are core. I recommend you check with your vet > to ensure none of the non-core vaccines are being piggy-backed on core > vaccines your pet receives. Most traditional vets do not carry single > vaccines, so ask to see the vaccine vial before assuming your pet is only > receiving one agent at a time. > > > > > *-------Original Message-------* > > *From:* Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]> > *Date:* 4/3/2012 12:43:36 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [Chihuahuas] Fw: Vaccine Studies & Protocol-2011 > > Here's what the Booster shots are doing to our dogs health: > > The Purdue Vaccination Studies and > Auto-antibodies<http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/purdue-vaccination-studies/> > > > Again for those who missed previous post on the correct protocol of all > shots. here are the links: > > > Dr. Jean Dodds & Protocol http://www.doglogic.com/vaccination.htm > > AAHA new Protocol > http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/VaccineGuidelines06Revised.pdf > > Titer Facts > http://vetmedicine.about.com/od/vaccinations/a/FALC_vacctiters.htm > > More vaccine facts > http://www.caberfeidh.com/Revax.htm > > > http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/Adobe/Dodds%20Immune%20System%20-Autoimmune.pdf > > > > > The American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA) Canine Vaccination Task > Force has updated their vaccination guidelines for 2011. > According to AAHAnet.org: > *Developed in a manner consistent with best vaccination practices, the > 2011 Guidelines include expert opinions supported by scientific study, > published and unpublished documents, and encompass all canine vaccines > currently licensed in the U.S. and Canada. The task force that developed > the guidelines included experts in immunology, infectious diseases, > internal medicine, law, and clinical practice.* > I'm encouraged by, if not blissful about the new guidelines. > The absolute highlight is that all core vaccines with the exception of the > 1-year rabies are now recommended at 3-year or greater intervals. > Even more exciting is the task force has acknowledged that in the case of > the non-rabies core vaccines, *immunity lasts at least 5 years for > distemper and parvo, and at least 7 years for adenovirus.* > Hopefully these new guidelines will help more dog owners understand the > long-lasting effect of those puppy shots! And hopefully, more dog owners > will now request titers rather than automatically revaccinating their > canine companions for distemper, parvo and adenovirus. > Summary of New AAHA Canine Vaccination Guidelines for 2011 > *Please note: My vaccine recommendations and those of Dr. Ronald Schultz, > follow this summary.* > *CORE VACCINES* > *Canine Distemper (CDV)* > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > > - Starting at 6 weeks, vaccinate every 3 to 4 weeks (6, 10, 14 or 8, > 12, 16 weeks) up to 14 or 16 weeks; final shot should be given between 14 > and 16 weeks to minimize risk of maternal antibody interference > > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > > - One dose > > Revaccination > > - For puppies who received initial vaccination series by 16 weeks, a > booster no later than 1 year after completion of initial series, then ≥ 3 > years thereafter > - For dogs who received initial vaccination after 16 weeks of age, > every ≥ 3 years thereafter > > *Notes: Among healthy dogs, distemper vaccines are expected to induce > immunity for at least 5 years.* > *Canine Parvo (CPV-2)* > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > > - Starting at 6 weeks, vaccinate every 3 to 4 weeks (6, 10, 14 or 8, > 12, 16 weeks) up to 14 or 16 weeks; final shot should be given between 14 > and 16 weeks to minimize risk of maternal antibody interference > > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > > - One dose > > Revaccination > > - For puppies who received initial vaccination series by 16 weeks, a > booster no later than 1 year after completion of initial series, then ≥ 3 > years thereafter > - For dogs who received initial vaccination after 16 weeks of age, > every ≥ 3 years thereafter > > *Notes: Among healthy dogs, distemper vaccines are expected to induce > immunity for at least 5 years.* > *Canine Adenovirus (CAV-2)* > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > > - Starting at 6 weeks, vaccinate every 3 to 4 weeks (6, 10, 14 or 8, > 12, 16 weeks) up to 14 or 16 weeks; final shot should be given between 14 > and 16 weeks to minimize risk of maternal antibody interference > > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > > - One dose > > Revaccination > > - For puppies who received initial vaccination series by 16 weeks, a > booster no later than 1 year after completion of initial series, then ≥ 3 > years thereafter > - For dogs who received initial vaccination after 16 weeks of age, > every ≥ 3 years thereafter > > *Notes: Among healthy dogs, distemper vaccines are expected to induce > immunity for at least 7 years*. > *Rabies 1-year* > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > > - One dose not earlier than 12 weeks or as required by law > > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > > - One dose > > Revaccination > > - For all dogs: annually as required by law > > *Rabies 3-year* > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > > - One dose not earlier than 12 weeks or as required by law > > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > > - One dose > > Revaccination > > - For all dogs: within 1 year of initial dose regardless of age at > time of initial dose, then every 3 years thereafter as required by law > > *NON-CORE VACCINES* > *Measles Vaccine (MV)* > This vaccine is supposed to provide temporary immunization of young > puppies against distemper by 'cross-protecting' them against the disease in > the event there are still maternally derived antibodies present. It is > always given in combination with other vaccines – distemper plus measles, > or a 4-way combination of distemper plus measles plus adenovirus plus > parainfluenza. > It is only recommended for healthy dogs between 6 and 12 weeks of age. > *Canine Parainfluenza (CPiV)* > There are two delivery systems for this vaccine – intranasal and > parenteral (injected). > This is a flu vaccine. The intranasal form prevents clinical signs of > illness, infection and shedding. The injected form prevents clinical > illness, but not infection or shedding. It is used for dogs that > aggressively resist intranasal delivery. > The parenteral vaccine is always given in combination with certain core > vaccines; the intranasal form is always given in combination with the > bordetella vaccine alone, or with bordetella plus adenovirus. > It is always given in a single dose. Revaccination recommendations, > depending on the form of the vaccine (intranasal or parenteral), are per > the combined core vaccine schedule, annually, or more frequently for 'high > risk' animals. > *Bordetella (Bb) Vaccine* > The bordetella vaccine can also be delivered intranasally or by > injection. > Parenteral administration requires two doses, 2 to 4 weeks apart. For the > initial vaccination, it is recommended the second dose be given at least a > week before the dog is boarded, attends a dog show, etc. Revaccination is > recommended annually > The intranasal vaccine is single dose, with revaccination recommended > annually or more often for 'high risk' dogs. Some dogs experience side > effects for 3 to 10 days after vaccination, including coughing, sneezing > and nasal discharge. > *Canine Adenovirus (CAV-2) – Intranasal* > The intranasal form of the adenovirus vaccine is a non-core vaccine. > It's recommended for dogs at risk for respiratory infection caused by the > adenovirus, and it may not provide immunity against canine hepatitis. It > should not be considered a replacement for the injectable form of the > vaccine. > This vaccine is available only in combination with the intranasal > bordetella and parainfluenza vaccines. > *Canine Influenza* > Vaccine is given in two doses, 2 to 4 weeks apart, in dogs older than 6 > weeks. Annual revaccination is recommended. > *Borrelia burgdorferi (Lyme disease)* > Vaccine is given in two doses, 2 to 4 weeks apart, in dogs older than 12 > weeks of age. Revaccination is recommended annually and/or at the beginning > of tick season as determined regionally. > *Notes: Recommended only for use in dogs with known risk of exposure, > living in or visiting regions where exposure risk is high or where Lyme > disease is endemic. Tick control products are required in addition to the > vaccine.* > *Leptospira interrogans* > This refers to the 4-way killed whole cell or subunit bacterin. The > 2-way killed bacterin form of this vaccine is not recommended. > Vaccine is given in two doses, 2 to 4 weeks apart, in dogs older than 12 > weeks of age. Revaccination is recommended annually, but only for dogs > with reasonable risk of exposure. > *Notes: Vaccination should be based on known geographic > occurrence/prevalence and exposure risk of the individual dog.* > *Canine Oral Melanoma* > This vaccine is only available for treatment of dogs with malignant > melanoma. It is not intended for the prevention of oral melanoma. > *Crotalus atrox (Western Diamondback rattlesnake vaccine) (toxoid)* > Field efficacy and experimental challenge data in dogs are not available > at this time. (Vaccine efficacy and dose recommendations are based on toxin > neutralization studies conducted in mice.) > *Canine Coronavirus (CCov)* > This vaccine is not recommended. Neither the modified live nor the > killed CCov vaccine has proved effective against combination > coronavirus/parvo disease. Only the parvo vaccine is protective against > dual viruses. > What Dr. Ron Schultz Recommends > For those of you not familiar with Dr. Schultz, I recommend you watch my > 4-part video series with him. You can find links to all 4 videos and > articles > here<http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/06/21/expert-proof-most-pets-are-vaccinated-way-too-often.aspx> > . > Dr. Schultz is one of the preeminent experts in the field of veterinary > vaccines. If you read the full AAHA vaccination guidelines > report<https://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/CanineVaccineGuidelines.pdf>, > you'll see his work referenced throughout. > Dr. Schultz recommends not starting a puppy or kitten core vaccination > program before 6 to 8 weeks of age, with revaccinations no more frequent > than every 4 weeks. So for example, if you start the program at 8 weeks, > you would give another dose of the core vaccines at 12 weeks, and the third > dose at 16 weeks. > Dr. Schultz's core vaccine protocol for his own family's pets differs in > that he actually runs antibody titers on the mother to know exactly when > the best time is to effectively immunize the puppy or kitten for the 3 core > viruses. Then he titers the little ones 2 or more weeks after the vaccine, > and as long as the response is adequate, he doesn't in most cases > revaccinate for the rest of the pet's life. > When it comes to rabies vaccines, Dr. Schultz gives the first vaccine > after 4 months of age, revaccinates in a year, and then again in 3 years > and every 3 years thereafter. In other words, he follows the law for 3-year > rabies vaccines, even though he doesn't believe a vaccination every 3 years > is necessary for immunization. > Currently Dr. Schultz is in year 4 of a 7-year study of the rabies > vaccine. You can read more about the study at the Rabies Challenge > Fund<http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/>. > His goal is to be able to recommend that after an animal is vaccinated at > from 12 to 24 weeks for rabies, there's no need for re-vaccination every 3 > years. > Hopefully we'll see the results of his 7-year study reflected in a future > revision of the AAHA's canine vaccination guidelines, as well as in state > and local laws. > > > > > > > -- > Carey & Rocco > > > > > > > > > > -- > Carey & Rocco > > > > > > > -- Carey & Rocco
