Omgoodness....it is soooooo refreshing to hear people are getting wise to the Vet business!!! I love to hear that people are thinking!!! Keep talking...keep sharing so others will stop blindly following...get themselves educated and stop being sheep!! Nothing's gonna change until they do!! I'm sooo glad to see this on this group!!!
Romping in the Dog Park! Deanna and the Dog Park Gang! The LITTLES: Mouse-chi 11-13-2004 Madison-yorkie 11-20-2010 Myrtle-chi 4-23-2010 The MIDDLES: Nugget- poodle 8-24-2004 Bella-Pom 1-15-2007 Mabel-Boston 7-14-2010 The BIGGUNS Logan-GSD 11-24-2011 Caleb-rott/chow/pitt mix 6-17-2006-RIP 2-22-2012 Maxine-Pitt 6-3-2008 Toby-ESS 12-12-2006 Stella and Stanley ( winged dog park members) And of course....the CAT (Miles) LIFE WITHOUT A DOG IS LIKE DANCING WITHOUT MUSIC. YOU CAN DO IT, BUT WHO WOULD WANT TO?? ...and I like all kinds of music!! On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, my littlest one Bino has terrible reactions to all vaccinations..sick > for two or three days..large swelling at the injection site. Just cries > pitifully. No more.. and my vet's reaction when I told him?? He said "oh > really?" When my son was starting in the business as a vet asst the first vet > he worked for was one of the bad ones. Don't think he was qualified and > frankly don't think he even liked animals. The good euthanasia drugs are > expensive..and he would never stock enough or want to give more if needed. > If they did not die with the first injection, he would throw them in the > freezer to die. Said they were unconscious anyway. My son was very > tenderhearted and found another vet asap but he still bears the scars from > that one. > > From: Carey Smith <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Vaccine Studies & Protocol-2011 > > > It's been very hard for me to work for vets and smile and tell people that > vaccine are fine....when every single week we were having dogs with vaccine > reactions because the vet I worked for bought the cheapest vaccines (Ft > Dodge).....In all my years combined working in vet clinics, I had never seen > as many vaccine reactions as I had in the past year and a half at this > clinic. I am now unemployed and looking for a job with an alternative, > holistic vet. I just can't smile and lie any more! > > Carey > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Pam Dean <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It is sad too because people must trust their Vets and doctors to do the best > for them and their pets. We are conditioned to do that and frankly feel > easier in our selves to give them the responsibility. After all they went to > school..that is their job. But when I see them blindly following the status > quo it makes me very uneasy. My gf recently euthanized her Bischon. Now he > was 12, blind, incontinent, had seizures continually, and could barely walk. > Do you know the Vet constantly told her it wasn't time to give this dog some > peace, and until the year he died was giving him the full barrage of > vaccinations. Now what is wrong with that picture?? She spent thousands on > that dog for two years of hell for the dog. Makes me crazy. > > From: Carey Smith <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Vaccine Studies & Protocol-2011 > > > I love seeing informed stuff like this! I did a research paper on the > negative effects of vaccines a few years ago. Really opened my eyes. My 16 > 1./2 year old Chi hasn't been vaccinated in at least 5 years, maybe more. My > other dogs (ages 4 & 3) will not have any more vaccines, and my 11 month old > will get his adult booster of DHP & rabies (4 weeks apart) when he is a year > and a half old an he won't be vaccinated again after that. > What so many people don't realize with vaccines, is that the 1 year > guidelines was initially chosen because it was the *minimum* DOI, not > maximum. As you know, Dr Schultz's research showed back in the 70's!! that > the DOI is actually much longer, if not lifetime, for the core vaccines. > Also, vaccines are ONLY licensed to be used on *healthy* animals. If your dog > is hypothyroid, diabetic, has allergies, or any other disease process, the > vet is not supposed to use a vaccine on your dog!!! If he does, he is > bordering on malpractice....yet that is EXACTLY what most vets do. So sad, > really, but they are just creating more business for themselves. The vaccines > make the dog sick, the dog comes back from treatment, and the cycle goes on... > > Carey > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Forgot to add this: > Note several non-core vaccines are only available in combination with other > vaccines, some of which are core. I recommend you check with your vet to > ensure none of the non-core vaccines are being piggy-backed on core vaccines > your pet receives. Most traditional vets do not carry single vaccines, so ask > to see the vaccine vial before assuming your pet is only receiving one agent > at a time. > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Peggy & The Girls > Date: 4/3/2012 12:43:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Fw: Vaccine Studies & Protocol-2011 > > Here's what the Booster shots are doing to our dogs health: > > The Purdue Vaccination Studies and Auto-antibodies > > > Again for those who missed previous post on the correct protocol of all > shots. here are the links: > > > Dr. Jean Dodds & Protocol http://www.doglogic.com/vaccination.htm > > AAHA new Protocol > http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/VaccineGuidelines06Revised.pdf > > Titer Facts > http://vetmedicine.about.com/od/vaccinations/a/FALC_vacctiters.htm > > More vaccine facts http://www.caberfeidh.com/Revax.htm > > > http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/Adobe/Dodds%20Immune%20System%20-Autoimmune.pdf > > > > > The American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA) Canine Vaccination Task Force > has updated their vaccination guidelines for 2011. > According to AAHAnet.org: > Developed in a manner consistent with best vaccination practices, the 2011 > Guidelines include expert opinions supported by scientific study, published > and unpublished documents, and encompass all canine vaccines currently > licensed in the U.S. and Canada. The task force that developed the guidelines > included experts in immunology, infectious diseases, internal medicine, law, > and clinical practice. > I'm encouraged by, if not blissful about the new guidelines. > The absolute highlight is that all core vaccines with the exception of the > 1-year rabies are now recommended at 3-year or greater intervals. > Even more exciting is the task force has acknowledged that in the case of the > non-rabies core vaccines, immunity lasts at least 5 years for distemper and > parvo, and at least 7 years for adenovirus. > Hopefully these new guidelines will help more dog owners understand the > long-lasting effect of those puppy shots! And hopefully, more dog owners will > now request titers rather than automatically revaccinating their canine > companions for distemper, parvo and adenovirus. > Summary of New AAHA Canine Vaccination Guidelines for 2011 > > Please note: My vaccine recommendations and those of Dr. Ronald Schultz, > follow this summary. > CORE VACCINES > Canine Distemper (CDV) > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > Starting at 6 weeks, vaccinate every 3 to 4 weeks (6, 10, 14 or 8, 12, 16 > weeks) up to 14 or 16 weeks; final shot should be given between 14 and 16 > weeks to minimize risk of maternal antibody interference > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > One dose > Revaccination > For puppies who received initial vaccination series by 16 weeks, a booster no > later than 1 year after completion of initial series, then ≥ 3 years > thereafter > For dogs who received initial vaccination after 16 weeks of age, every ≥ 3 > years thereafter > Notes: Among healthy dogs, distemper vaccines are expected to induce immunity > for at least 5 years. > Canine Parvo (CPV-2) > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > Starting at 6 weeks, vaccinate every 3 to 4 weeks (6, 10, 14 or 8, 12, 16 > weeks) up to 14 or 16 weeks; final shot should be given between 14 and 16 > weeks to minimize risk of maternal antibody interference > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > One dose > Revaccination > For puppies who received initial vaccination series by 16 weeks, a booster no > later than 1 year after completion of initial series, then ≥ 3 years > thereafter > For dogs who received initial vaccination after 16 weeks of age, every ≥ 3 > years thereafter > Notes: Among healthy dogs, distemper vaccines are expected to induce immunity > for at least 5 years. > Canine Adenovirus (CAV-2) > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > Starting at 6 weeks, vaccinate every 3 to 4 weeks (6, 10, 14 or 8, 12, 16 > weeks) up to 14 or 16 weeks; final shot should be given between 14 and 16 > weeks to minimize risk of maternal antibody interference > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > One dose > Revaccination > For puppies who received initial vaccination series by 16 weeks, a booster no > later than 1 year after completion of initial series, then ≥ 3 years > thereafter > For dogs who received initial vaccination after 16 weeks of age, every ≥ 3 > years thereafter > Notes: Among healthy dogs, distemper vaccines are expected to induce immunity > for at least 7 years. > Rabies 1-year > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > One dose not earlier than 12 weeks or as required by law > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > One dose > Revaccination > For all dogs: annually as required by law > Rabies 3-year > Initial vaccination in puppies < 16 weeks of age > One dose not earlier than 12 weeks or as required by law > Initial vaccination in dogs > 16 weeks of age > One dose > Revaccination > For all dogs: within 1 year of initial dose regardless of age at time of > initial dose, then every 3 years thereafter as required by law > NON-CORE VACCINES > Measles Vaccine (MV) > This vaccine is supposed to provide temporary immunization of young puppies > against distemper by 'cross-protecting' them against the disease in the event > there are still maternally derived antibodies present. It is always given in > combination with other vaccines – distemper plus measles, or a 4-way > combination of distemper plus measles plus adenovirus plus parainfluenza. > It is only recommended for healthy dogs between 6 and 12 weeks of age. > Canine Parainfluenza (CPiV) > There are two delivery systems for this vaccine – intranasal and parenteral > (injected). > This is a flu vaccine. The intranasal form prevents clinical signs of > illness, infection and shedding. The injected form prevents clinical illness, > but not infection or shedding. It is used for dogs that aggressively resist > intranasal delivery. > The parenteral vaccine is always given in combination with certain core > vaccines; the intranasal form is always given in combination with the > bordetella vaccine alone, or with bordetella plus adenovirus. > It is always given in a single dose. Revaccination recommendations, depending > on the form of the vaccine (intranasal or parenteral), are per the combined > core vaccine schedule, annually, or more frequently for 'high risk' animals. > Bordetella (Bb) Vaccine > The bordetella vaccine can also be delivered intranasally or by injection. > Parenteral administration requires two doses, 2 to 4 weeks apart. For the > initial vaccination, it is recommended the second dose be given at least a > week before the dog is boarded, attends a dog show, etc. Revaccination is > recommended annually > The intranasal vaccine is single dose, with revaccination recommended > annually or more often for 'high risk' dogs. Some dogs experience side > effects for 3 to 10 days after vaccination, including coughing, sneezing and > nasal discharge. > Canine Adenovirus (CAV-2) – Intranasal > The intranasal form of the adenovirus vaccine is a non-core vaccine. > It's recommended for dogs at risk for respiratory infection caused by the > adenovirus, and it may not provide immunity against canine hepatitis. It > should not be considered a replacement for the injectable form of the vaccine. > This vaccine is available only in combination with the intranasal bordetella > and parainfluenza vaccines. > Canine Influenza > Vaccine is given in two doses, 2 to 4 weeks apart, in dogs older than 6 > weeks. Annual revaccination is recommended. > Borrelia burgdorferi (Lyme disease) > Vaccine is given in two doses, 2 to 4 weeks apart, in dogs older than 12 > weeks of age. Revaccination is recommended annually and/or at the beginning > of tick season as determined regionally. > Notes: Recommended only for use in dogs with known risk of exposure, living > in or visiting regions where exposure risk is high or where Lyme disease is > endemic. Tick control products are required in addition to the vaccine. > Leptospira interrogans > This refers to the 4-way killed whole cell or subunit bacterin. The 2-way > killed bacterin form of this vaccine is not recommended. > Vaccine is given in two doses, 2 to 4 weeks apart, in dogs older than 12 > weeks of age. Revaccination is recommended annually, but only for dogs with > reasonable risk of exposure. > Notes: Vaccination should be based on known geographic occurrence/prevalence > and exposure risk of the individual dog. > Canine Oral Melanoma > This vaccine is only available for treatment of dogs with malignant melanoma. > It is not intended for the prevention of oral melanoma. > Crotalus atrox (Western Diamondback rattlesnake vaccine) (toxoid) > Field efficacy and experimental challenge data in dogs are not available at > this time. (Vaccine efficacy and dose recommendations are based on toxin > neutralization studies conducted in mice.) > Canine Coronavirus (CCov) > This vaccine is not recommended. Neither the modified live nor the killed > CCov vaccine has proved effective against combination coronavirus/parvo > disease. Only the parvo vaccine is protective against dual viruses. > What Dr. Ron Schultz Recommends > > For those of you not familiar with Dr. Schultz, I recommend you watch my > 4-part video series with him. You can find links to all 4 videos and articles > here. > Dr. Schultz is one of the preeminent experts in the field of veterinary > vaccines. If you read the full AAHA vaccination guidelines report, you'll see > his work referenced throughout. > Dr. Schultz recommends not starting a puppy or kitten core vaccination > program before 6 to 8 weeks of age, with revaccinations no more frequent than > every 4 weeks. So for example, if you start the program at 8 weeks, you would > give another dose of the core vaccines at 12 weeks, and the third dose at 16 > weeks. > Dr. Schultz's core vaccine protocol for his own family's pets differs in that > he actually runs antibody titers on the mother to know exactly when the best > time is to effectively immunize the puppy or kitten for the 3 core viruses. > Then he titers the little ones 2 or more weeks after the vaccine, and as long > as the response is adequate, he doesn't in most cases revaccinate for the > rest of the pet's life. > When it comes to rabies vaccines, Dr. Schultz gives the first vaccine after 4 > months of age, revaccinates in a year, and then again in 3 years and every 3 > years thereafter. In other words, he follows the law for 3-year rabies > vaccines, even though he doesn't believe a vaccination every 3 years is > necessary for immunization. > Currently Dr. Schultz is in year 4 of a 7-year study of the rabies vaccine. > You can read more about the study at the Rabies Challenge Fund. His goal is > to be able to recommend that after an animal is vaccinated at from 12 to 24 > weeks for rabies, there's no need for re-vaccination every 3 years. > Hopefully we'll see the results of his 7-year study reflected in a future > revision of the AAHA's canine vaccination guidelines, as well as in state and > local laws. > > > > > > > -- > Carey & Rocco > > > > > > > > > > -- > Carey & Rocco > > > > >
