On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 08:19:22PM -0800, Joe enlightened us thusly
> At 12:34 PM 8/30/03 -0800, you wrote:
> >       I have not seen them for years.        a little  line current
> >       all
> >the time, so this thing would have to distinguish between a  fraction
> >of an amp, and the higher draw when the TV is actually on.  
> 
>   Use a step down transformer in reverse. Put the low voltage side
>   (secondary) in series with your load and connect a relay to the high
>   voltage side (primary). Use a transformer that has a LOW voltage
>   output, say 3 volts, and a current rating similar to that of the
>   load that you're monitoring. That should give roughly 3 volts line
>   drop to the load being monitored, that shouldn't affect the load.
>   The relay needs to roughly match the output (primary side). You'll
>   have to play with the ratings and you may need to put a dropping
>   resistor in series with the relay to decrease it's sensitivity. The
>   transformer should have low voltage output when little current is
>   flowing to the load (the load is off). When the load is on and
>   drawing appreciable current then the output voltage will rise and
>   engage the relay.


Just lurking on this thread, I'll throw one more approach. Televisions
use ~200W on, but may exceed one amp in inrush currents.

Drop a few volts - A few diodes in series or cathode to cathode 3V3
zeners (5W).  Across this put 2 optocouplers in antiparallel with a 10
ohm resistor in series. A Small bleed resistor will make sure the
optocouplers aren't triggered by the bleed current.

That's 6 components (2 zeners, 2 optocouplers, 10 Ohms and some bleed
resistor). The trouble with asking is that you have to think all these
different ideas through ;-).
-- 

        With best Regards,


        Declan Moriarty.
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