On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Nicolas Sylvain <[email protected]>wrote:

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> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Darin Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Nicolas Sylvain <[email protected]>wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Darin Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:38 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Nicolas Sylvain wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Darin Fisher <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Adam Langley <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Nicolas Sylvain <
>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>> > >> >   Hello, over the weekend I made some changes to the waterfall,
>>>>> and you
>>>>> > >> > might be interested.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Firstly, thank you! This is great.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Yes, thank you Nicolas!!
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> > Webkit Linux (dbg) : failed to compile, seems to be a problem
>>>>> with the
>>>>> > >> > machine. Someone in the Linux team should look at it.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> This is a shared object build and, sadly, the shared build is
>>>>> often
>>>>> > >> broken. Someone will get it green this week. (i.e. I'll do it if
>>>>> > >> nobody else does).
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Shouldn't we move this builder to the FYI buildbot then?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We could. "Compiling chrome on linux in debug" seems important enough
>>>>> > though.
>>>>> > Is this shared object something that is used only on the bot?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Modules Linux (dbg) builder covers this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that this should be moved to the FYI buildbot until it's
>>>>> stable.
>>>>> That's why it hasn't been in the top bar.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks Tony.  So, if something doesn't go in the top bar, then perhaps
>>>> it should go to the FYI waterfall?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, in theory it should like that.
>>>
>>> I thought Webkit Linux (dbg) was going to be added to the top bar really
>>> soon.
>>>
>>> I think purify ui tests is just waiting for a new version of purify
>>> maybe? After that it should be easy enough to turn it green.
>>>
>>> I could also move valgrind to the FYI waterfall if we don't plan to make
>>> progress and add it to the top bar anytime soon.
>>>
>>> There are 2 exceptions : "XP Perf - Single Core" and "Vista Perf - Single
>>> Core".   They are important enough, but too slow to be in the top bar, and
>>> the chances that we introduce a bug that is single core only is really
>>> small.
>>>
>>
>>
>> i'm not sure i understand why it helps to have the top-bar differ from the
>> main set of columns.  it seems like the goal is to have everything on the
>> main waterfall stay green all the time, and the purpose of the top-bar is to
>> allow people to see if everything is green without having to scroll
>> horizontally.  is there some other purpose of the top-bar that i'm missing?
>>
>
> This is something I made up, so feel free to disagree, but :
>
> Top bar is for what the people need to look at after they make changes.
>  Since the waterfall is too big, they can just click the header of the top
> bars to see a minimal version of the waterfall (chromium, webkit, modules).
> My job is to make sure all builders there can cycle really fast (except
> Chromium XP and reliability).... the goal is 10 minutes. This is an
> aggressive goal, we might not get there, but at least it's not going to be
> 30 minutes to 1 hour like it was last week.
>
> But I agree in general, if it's not on the top bar, it should be in the FYI
> waterfall.
>
> The exception was for something that will never turn red, like single-core,
> and is really slow to run. (It *can* turn red, but dual-core will be red
> too, and it's already in the top bars).
>
> Nicolas
>
> (There is also a technical reason: I can't move single-core to the FYI
> waterfall because I can't share a build from the builder if it's not in the
> same waterfall).
>
>

OK... thanks for the details.
-Darin

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