Lee,
“At this point, this subject has been thoroughly discussed and further commentary about the date of publication may not be helpful”. I seem to recall that you made a very similar comment the last time this topic came up. The thing is, this topic only comes up after another one or two ‘publication dates’ have been and gone, and been replaced without comment or explanation. So no, clearly the topic has not been sufficiently discussed, as several members of this list, myself included, need to exchange notes on any misinformation that may be floating around out there. In what way do you see this as unhelpful? “The suggestion that there has been any lack of candor with respect to the timing of this book is not warranted”. On what do you base this assertion? On the face of the evidence, the suggestion is entirely warranted, although ‘lack of candor’ is a kind way of expressing it. Best, Dave From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lee Pollock Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War Stan – your inference is incorrect. The publication of this book is not and never has been a direct undertaking or commitment of The Churchill Centre, as much as we try to support Prof. Muller on this and all of his other work. We will be ordering a substantial number of copies when it is published and publicizing it to our members and other contacts around the world. The suggestion that there has been any lack of candor with respect to the timing of this book is not warranted. At this point, this subject has been thoroughly discussed and further commentary about the date of publication may not be helpful. When it is published, this list will be among the groups informed and I hope that everyone, including those who have been anxiously awaiting its appearance will buy one or more sets. Thank you. From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of STAN ORCHARD Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:02 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some financial contribution threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be reached before the book can be published. And if the Centre had more cash flow the book would have been printed and shipped long ago. If this is the case then why not just confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic timeline to publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can understand. Is this the end? The beginning of the end? Or, at least the end of the beginning? Stan BullfrogControl.com Inc. 69A Burnside Road West Victoria, British Columbia CANADA V9A 1B6 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 250-858-FROG (3764) www.bullfrogcontrol.com <http://www.bullfrogcontrol.com> Sent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™ www.blackberry.com <http://www.blackberry.com> _____ From: "Lee Pollock" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> " <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War Dear Jonathan: I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat group that Prof. Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work on this immense undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case. While The Churchill Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and other Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds available for grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this edition of The River War surely is. Specialized works of this kind do not garner big advances from publishers and St. Augustine Press itself is a small independent enterprise in a world where the publishing and bookselling trades are under stress. But I would like to offer the following suggestions: 1. This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom are not members of The Churchill Centre. I encourage those of you who are not to join, which you can do online or by using the attached form. If you so indicate, one hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to support the research and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars. 2. For those who are already members (and for others): we welcome contributions of any amount that you might consider and you can designate that your funds be used to support publication of this new edition of The River War and/or for general research by Prof. Muller and others. I hope you will all give favorable consideration to these suggestions. Lee Pollock Executive Director The Churchill Centre Chicago, IL 60603 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:38 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War I, also, received a notice that the October pub date was off, but they didn't give a new one. I hope Prof. Muller has been well compensated for his work 'cause there ain't going to be any royalties. Jonathan Hayes _____ From: Dave Turrell <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:40 PM Subject: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War In doing some desultory web browsing today, I note that the latest date that St Augustine Press has been giving for publication of Jim Muller’s ‘River War’ (September 2016) has been and gone, like so many of their other proposed publication dates over the last 15 years or more. Checking with Amazon, it seems that they were, at least, not taken in by the latest, and still show a publication date of November 2013. While I think that most of us have come to accept the prospect of publication of this work as being something of a bizarre ongoing joke, I wonder if St. Augustine will get round to not referring to their offering as having a foreword by “Churchill’s only surviving child, Lady Soames”. That strikes me as being a little tacky, at best. 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