I don’t think so! As a an ex-Chartwell volunteer and ‘story’ researcher, we always spelt it ‘klop’. There are many references to Churchill and klop on Google, whereas none relating to ‘clop’. Neither word has a dictionary definition in this context, but the definition of ‘clop’ gives a hint to Churchill’s usage of the word, being the noise made by a horse’s hoof, and that this might be considered similar to the noise made by a hole punch.
Just IMHO. David Riddle Mobile: 07966 472340 Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Dec 2019, at 23:14, Cita Stelzer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Are we agreed then that it is clop and not klop? > Cita Stelzer > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 2:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe > > RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ filmDear Dave, > > Many thanks for this correct identification of the young man in the film > > You mention "Clop" : if you have Elizabeth Nel (née Layton)'s memoirs, there > is a marvellous anecdote about it : > > The confusion between the contraption and Kloppe's "fifteen volumes" (p. 14 > of the 2007 reprint). > > Best wishes, > > A.C. > =========== > > From: 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 7:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ film > > > Dear Antoine, > > You can find the script for the film at > https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/uploads/scripts/darkest-hour-2017.pdf > > > > A quick search seems to indicate that the character in question is John > Evans - Churchill's private secretary. (Not sure if that's a 'real' > character - I bet Richard knows :-). Played by Joe Armstrong. > > the TRAY passes by - WINSTON’s PRIVATE SECRETARY, JOHN EVANS (35), as he > schools the NEW YOUNG SECRETARY, ELIZABETH LAYTON. Evans, an > immaculately-groomed rake, snobbishly thinks himself infinitely superior to > the Elizabeth Laytons of the world. > > JOHN EVANS(to ELIZABETH)...and if he stretches out his hand and says, > “Gimme”, you need to anticipate what he wants - black pen, red pen, paper, > or “Clop”, that’s his hole punch. > > > > Best, > > Dave > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 5:59 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ film > > Dear All, > > I am preparing an article on _Darkest Hour_ for a French publication and I > am puzzled by a character in the film. > > There is a young man who is often seen near Churchill, and he initially > shows Miss Layton round the 'War Rooms', but he is not named – I thought he > was Jock Colville. But then, there is no ‘Jock Colville’ in the cast. > > On the other hand, there is a ‘Tom Leonard’ in the cast whose name does not > suggest anything to me. ‘Tom Leonard’ is played by Eric MacLennan – but his > photographs on Google do not look like the young man I mistook for Jock > Colville. > > https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4555426/fullcredits > > All very puzzling! 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