I suspect we may be overthinking this. Whether 'Klip' or 'Clop', I doubt Churchill was thinking of the sound of horses' hooves. He was probably thinking of the sound a hole punch makes.
Given that what we are dealing with is an idiosyncratic onomatopoeic representation of an inanimate object, unless the record shows Churchill spelling it one way or the other, then I would respectfully suggest that there is no 'correct' spelling. I would, however, not personally go for 'Kloppe', as it might lead to in insufficiently klipped pronunciation. Merry Christmas to one and all! Dave -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Riddle Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 5:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe I don’t think so! As a an ex-Chartwell volunteer and ‘story’ researcher, we always spelt it ‘klop’. There are many references to Churchill and klop on Google, whereas none relating to ‘clop’. Neither word has a dictionary definition in this context, but the definition of ‘clop’ gives a hint to Churchill’s usage of the word, being the noise made by a horse’s hoof, and that this might be considered similar to the noise made by a hole punch. Just IMHO. David Riddle Mobile: 07966 472340 Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Dec 2019, at 23:14, Cita Stelzer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Are we agreed then that it is clop and not klop? > Cita Stelzer > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 2:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe > > RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ > filmDear Dave, > > Many thanks for this correct identification of the young man in the > film > > You mention "Clop" : if you have Elizabeth Nel (née Layton)'s memoirs, there > is a marvellous anecdote about it : > > The confusion between the contraption and Kloppe's "fifteen volumes" (p. 14 > of the 2007 reprint). > > Best wishes, > > A.C. > =========== > > From: 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 7:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest > Hour_ film > > > Dear Antoine, > > You can find the script for the film at > https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/uploads/scripts/darkest-hour-2017.pd > f > > > > A quick search seems to indicate that the character in question is > John Evans - Churchill's private secretary. (Not sure if that's a 'real' > character - I bet Richard knows :-). Played by Joe Armstrong. > > the TRAY passes by - WINSTON’s PRIVATE SECRETARY, JOHN EVANS (35), as > he schools the NEW YOUNG SECRETARY, ELIZABETH LAYTON. Evans, an > immaculately-groomed rake, snobbishly thinks himself infinitely > superior to the Elizabeth Laytons of the world. > > JOHN EVANS(to ELIZABETH)...and if he stretches out his hand and says, > “Gimme”, you need to anticipate what he wants - black pen, red pen, > paper, or “Clop”, that’s his hole punch. > > > > Best, > > Dave > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 5:59 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ > film > > Dear All, > > I am preparing an article on _Darkest Hour_ for a French publication > and I am puzzled by a character in the film. > > There is a young man who is often seen near Churchill, and he > initially shows Miss Layton round the 'War Rooms', but he is not named > – I thought he was Jock Colville. But then, there is no ‘Jock Colville’ in > the cast. > > On the other hand, there is a ‘Tom Leonard’ in the cast whose name > does not suggest anything to me. ‘Tom Leonard’ is played by Eric > MacLennan – but his photographs on Google do not look like the young > man I mistook for Jock Colville. > > https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4555426/fullcredits > > All very puzzling! I wonder who that young man is supposed to be! > > Enlightenment most welcome. > > With best wishes to all, > > Antoine CAPET, FRHistS > > Professor emeritus of British Studies > > University of Rouen > > 76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan > > France > > [email protected] > > 'Britain since 1914' Section Editor > > Royal Historical Society Bibliography > > Reviews Editor of CERCLES > > http://www.cercles.com/review/reviews.html > > ========================================== > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ChurchillChat" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/churchillchat/7F5BAFE093074E698B07679A6D40EF6F%40PCAntoine. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ChurchillChat" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/churchillchat/007b01d5b9c2%24360440a0%24a20cc1e0%24%40verizon.net. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ChurchillChat" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/churchillchat/68048816038C4EC79041E1E1072F7846%40PCAntoine. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "ChurchillChat" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/churchillchat/MWHPR10MB164793CC50671EE087359F68A22E0%40MWHPR10MB1647.namprd10.prod.outlook.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. 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