Andrew,

Regarding your request for a tool/method to validate a users PAC, I am still 
researching this issue and will get back to you by Friday with an update.  With 
respect to the documentation, we will be correcting MS-PAC section 2.8.1 in a 
future documentation release to read as follows:

Section 2.8.1 Revision

Signatures are generated by the issuing KDC and depend on the cryptographic 
algorithms available to the KDC. The checksum type MUST be one of the values 
defined in the table in section 2.8. The key usage value MUST be 
KERB_NON_KERB_CKSUM_SALT (17). A PAC MUST contain two such signatures: one 
keyed so that the server can verify it, and the other keyed so that the KDC can 
verify it.
Prior to the signature being generated by the issuing KDC, the entire PAC must 
be constructed. The entire message, including the PACTYPE (section 2.3) header 
and all PAC elements, MUST be constructed into a contiguous buffer. The 
Signature fields of the PAC_SIGNATURE_DATA structures MUST all be set to zero.

To generate the server signature, the keyed hash function selected, as 
specified in [RFC4757], MUST be computed over the entire PAC buffer. The key 
selected for the algorithm MUST be the server's key known to the KDC. The 
resulting hash value is then placed in the Signature field of the server's 
PAC_SIGNATURE_DATA structure.
Before verifying the server signature, the Signature field values are removed 
from the PAC buffer and MUST be replaced with zeros. Then the hash is generated 
as specified in [RFC4757]. The resulting hash is compared with the locally 
stored version; if they match, the signature MUST be considered valid.

To generate the KDC signature, the keyed hash function MUST be computed over 
the signature field value of the server's PAC_SIGNATURE_DATA. The key selected 
for the algorithm MUST be the key of the KDC (krbtgt) itself [RFC4120]. The 
resulting hash is placed in the Signature field of the KDC's PAC_SIGNATURE_DATA 
structure.

To verify the KDC signature, the keyed hash MUST be generated over the version 
of the server signature received in the KERB_VERIFY_PAC_REQUEST structure 
[MS-APDS] (section 2.2.2.1) using the algorithm specified in the SignatureType 
field in the KERB_VERIFY_PAC_REQUEST structure. The resulting hash is compared 
with the KDC signature value in the Signature value field in the 
KERB_VERIFY_PAC_REQUEST structure; if they match, the signature MUST be 
considered valid.

A PAC with an invalid signature MUST be rejected.

Richard Guthrie
Open Protocols Support Team
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Bartlett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:40 AM
To: Richard Guthrie
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: How to validate the PAC in NETLOGON

On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 08:29 -0700, Richard Guthrie wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> Thank you for the request.  I will be working with you on this issue.
> I need to review the documentation and will get back to you with a
> response shortly.

What happened here?  I've been attempting to implement this regardless of the 
unclear docs, but at least a way of getting windows to emit this request would 
be very useful.

Thanks,

Andrew Bartlett

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Andrew Bartlett
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Authentication Developer, Samba Team           http://samba.org
Samba Developer, Red Hat Inc.
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