On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 01:26:57PM -0500, Kevin Brosius wrote: > On 2007-01-13 11:56, Nicolas Maufrais wrote: > > Mmmm... You got it wrong here. Here's the situation: > > - the initial wiki contents was put in the manual. I spent tens of hours > > to do this. > > - then, I worked on the manual, so much work was necessary > > - during that time, some people continued to edit the twiki > > - now, the new wiki is online, and the twiki contents which was added in > > from Nov 8 2006 to today isn't in the manual. You can have a look at > > the Twiki changes here: > > http://ftconsult.taxnetusa.com/twiki/bin/view/Cinelerra/WebChanges > > No, I did not get it wrong. Please review the content I mention before > making such claims. I understand if you left some content out of the > new manual, but the content at the link I posted has been in the Twiki > much longer than Nov 6, 2006. That page has not been changed since Aug > 2006.
I looked at the Suse page on the Twiki. I did not put in in the manual, because the way it is formulated is too "wiki oriented". In the first paragraph, someone explains it did not work for him. In the second paragraph, it seems a too "personnal" experience, not too generic in my opinion. As regards to the third paragraph, it's about Suse 9.0 and 9.2 which seem rather old. That information quality was not up to the standard required to be put in a manual. Moreover, I didn't know enough then (and will never know more) about Suse to be able to revise it before puting it into the manual. > I would like it made clear that some content is not in the new manual. > I'm somewhat offended that you are suggesting all the content is, and > are asking people to add content which was already in the older wiki. > Several of us put a good amount of time into information in the older > wiki. Please remember those contributions also. > I understand you did a lot of work on the new format, and you have a > vested interest in supporting it. I do remember those contributions. Around 5-10% of the wiki is not in the manual. Now, you have to understand several things: - the documentation was a total mess some months ago, and the information was squattered between several documents. Moreover, the Twiki wasn't updated with the latest version of "Secrets of Cinelerra" - some contents in the twiki isn't appropriate for being put in a manual, - I ask the help of translators to take the translations remaining in the wiki and translate the manual. Two people replied, for Italian and Brazilian. - you're not paying for that manual. You have to understand that not everything is perfect. But *HELL*, I posted several messages on this mailing-list about the documentation. I asked people for their opinion, their ideas. I asked for help on the IRC to merge the twiki and the new version of "Secrets" into 1 manual, and in texinfo format. Did anyone helped me to do that dirty job? NO. I don't thing you know how much time that asked me. You should have a look at the Changelog to get a better view. Now, rather than ranting, as I said, you're welcome to participate in working on the manual. If you know of any information about how to install Cinelerra on a recent version of Suse, you're welcome to do so. If you see any information still in the TWiki which isn't in the manual, please put it in the new wiki. I remind you that for the moment, nobody edited the wiki apart from me. I made the wiki to allow everyone to improve the manual, in an easy way. Instead of criticizing what have be done, improve it; be more constructive. Nicolas Maufrais. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ BOYCOTT SUSE & NOVELL (C)(TM)(R) MICRO$OFT ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I DO LIKE AND SUPPORT GPL VERSION 3 ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Cinelerra mailing list [email protected] https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
